370Z Takes on Genesis Coupe 3.8 Track

daisuke149 · 06-29-2011, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandCWRU

I also give the styling nod to the 370Z, see my original post.

And that's exactly what I'm looking for, someone who considered both that can tell me why they prefer one over the other. Maybe this sounds totally crazy, but to me there's a huge gap in quality between a post that shares an experience, actually compares the two and draws a conclusion versus an insulting post that implies that anyone who would even consider a Genesis Coupe (or shops at Wal-Mart for that matter) is a low-class, low-intelligence person who can't differentiate between products of varying origins (especially Asian). Give me a break. I know he's just "trolling" as the internet folks call it, I shouldn't have taken the bait and responded.

I'm aware it's a Z forum, but I think it's fair to expect sound advice, which I've gotten an abundance of here already (and keep it coming!). I've gotten the same in the thread where I posted the same question on the GC forum.

To the posters who have given useful opinions and comparisons (the vast majority of folks), thank you, you've been a big help. Sorry I got off track...

As it stands now, I'm starting to lean towards the 370Z, chiefly for its powertrain. I own several VQ powered cars and love the engine series. I'm a little disappointed that the once signature smoothness is nowhere to be found in the 3.7L. You could blame it on the type of car, but the engine is the same way in the G & M too, and all VQ's have been losing that buttery-smooth torque delivery as displacement and power increased. A testament to Nissan's craftsmanship and engine design, at 224K miles, the VQ in my Maxima is to this day the absolute smoothest V6 I've ever driven.

Overall, still a tough call for me. It may come down to dealer experience. I'd have to order either one, no dealer close by has one in the color combo's I want.

if you do chose 370z and want a smooth experience look up some of the dealer sponsors on this site. They are known to have good dealings.

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandCWRU

I also give the styling nod to the 370Z, see my original post.

And that's exactly what I'm looking for, someone who considered both that can tell me why they prefer one over the other. Maybe this sounds totally crazy, but to me there's a huge gap in quality between a post that shares an experience, actually compares the two and draws a conclusion versus an insulting post that implies that anyone who would even consider a Genesis Coupe (or shops at Wal-Mart for that matter) is a low-class, low-intelligence person who can't differentiate between products of varying origins (especially Asian). Give me a break. I know he's just "trolling" as the internet folks call it, I shouldn't have taken the bait and responded.

I'm aware it's a Z forum, but I think it's fair to expect sound advice, which I've gotten an abundance of here already (and keep it coming!). I've gotten the same in the thread where I posted the same question on the GC forum.

To the posters who have given useful opinions and comparisons (the vast majority of folks), thank you, you've been a big help. Sorry I got off track...

As it stands now, I'm starting to lean towards the 370Z, chiefly for its powertrain. I own several VQ powered cars and love the engine series. I'm a little disappointed that the once signature smoothness is nowhere to be found in the 3.7L. You could blame it on the type of car, but the engine is the same way in the G & M too, and all VQ's have been losing that buttery-smooth torque delivery as displacement and power increased. A testament to Nissan's craftsmanship and engine design, at 224K miles, the VQ in my Maxima is to this day the absolute smoothest V6 I've ever driven.

Overall, still a tough call for me. It may come down to dealer experience. I'd have to order either one, no dealer close by has one in the color combo's I want.

we have to give Hyundai reps for doing a great job with marketing!

hey OP - you will one day learn that wat i posted was not there to insult you (hell, if i wanted to insult you it will be much more direct), rather to help you understand what the real world sees... and how hyundai is focusing on people like you to actually in my term 'confuse' you to possibly make the decision for their benefit. they really got into your brain well and for that we need to give them a

GL with your decision watever it is!

ClevelandCWRU · 06-29-2011, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

a car of choice needs to make sense for the owner (or lessee). even if you drove 2 cars back to back and reviewed it, it's still just an opinion based on one's background.

but the truth of the matter is, these are 2 very different cars targeted at 2 different demographics. i just happen to fit in the 370Z demographics more so than a genesis coupe.

i'd get a new G37C over a genesis coupe if something happened to my G35C as it's non replacable. if something happened to my Z i'd get another Z. i wont be looking anywhere at a hyundai catalog that's for sure.

See, this makes a lot more sense to me than any of your other posts. Fair enough, and thanks for the change in tone. I probably fit the demographics for a typical G37 buyer more than the other two, but it's not quite what I want. It was on my initial list of cars, but I moved on for a couple of reasons:

1) Dealer is just too far away. An hour+ is a long drive for routine service and hell of a tow bill. Already played that game with an awd FX35, not willing to again.
2) I really liked the car's appearance (and the G35's even more) but was a touch disappointed driving it. Thought the GC 3.8 Track was a more engaging drive, and the 370Z even better still. I was also put off by its ride quality for the type of car it is.

It's a very nice car, but not for me.

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandCWRU

See, this makes a lot more sense to me than any of your other posts. Fair enough, and thanks for the change in tone. I probably fit the demographics for a typical G37 buyer more than the other two, but it's not quite what I want. It was on my initial list of cars, but I moved on for a couple of reasons:

1) Dealer is just too far away. An hour+ is a long drive for routine service and hell of a tow bill. Already played that game with an awd FX35, not willing to again.
2) I really liked the car's appearance (and the G35's even more) but was a touch disappointed driving it. Thought the GC 3.8 Track was a more engaging drive, and the 370Z even better still. I was also put off by its ride quality for the type of car it is.

It's a very nice car, but not for me.

hummmmm... i didnt change my tone at all, this is how i post all the time including the first post and all the other posts. wat im saying is take a step back and take a close look at what you are about to do and make sure you want to buy what you really want.

cause typically a car enthusiast would NOT be looking at a gen-coupe to begin with.

GL!

ClevelandCWRU · 06-29-2011, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

we have to give Hyundai reps for doing a great job with marketing!

hey OP - you will one day learn that wat i posted was not there to insult you (hell, if i wanted to insult you it will be much more direct), rather to help you understand what the real world sees... and how hyundai is focusing on people like you to actually in my term 'confuse' you to possibly make the decision for their benefit. they really got into your brain well and for that we need to give them a

GL with your decision watever it is!

Honestly, the way the car is marketed had initially turned me off from even considering it. While doing the auto show circuit in NA, I had checked them out. I was unimpressed for 2 years. With the general trend in the auto shows of companies putting more basic models on the floor that represent what customers actually buy, turns out I had only been in the basic trimmed, 4-cyl. models. I thought they felt cheap and hated them.

For 2 years I kind of made fun of the GC actually. A couple months ago I was helping a friend car shop, and noticed one on the used lot where he was shopping. On a whim, I decided to take it for a spin. It was a well-trimmed V6, and after driving it let's just say it served up a nice big piece of humble pie for me.

Let me ask you this: Have you driven a 3.8 Track? See what it's like if you haven't, preferably a 2011 rather than the 2010. It probably won't change your mind about owning one, as you are very opinionated on the matter. But it might help you see it's a solid and capable sports coupe. The naming is stupid, don't expect it be a track car. It's really like a touring model with a sport package rather than a stripped out track-ready special...that would be the R-Spec.

It's no threat to the Z's market position as it stands now, and I agree with you that for the most part they target two different demographics. The overlap is very little, even smaller when put in perspective with the tiny production numbers of both. Next generation, all bets are off. Hyundai has too broad of a target now with its coupe, it needs to focus on one area really. With the Veloster hitting the market soon, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future Hyundai positions the Genesis Coupe as a more serious sporting machine, letting the Veloster take over much of the market that the 2.0T may have served.

sojirovskensi · 06-29-2011, 04:26 PM

I am Korean and still hold Korean citizenship for my patriotism. I am very proud of Hyundai for its progress of auto industry, and I really want you to buy Gen coupe so that Hyundai can make some profit. However, I chose my Z for many reasons and am willing to buy another Z rather than Gen coupe. End of story.

FYI, Gen coupe F/L comes out September in Korea but I have no idea in North America market. You may want to do some research about that version due to its highly equipped options and 8 speed tranny.

But I will keep my Z

kenchan · 06-29-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandCWRU

Honestly, the way the car is marketed had initially turned me off from even considering it. While doing the auto show circuit in NA, I had checked them out. I was unimpressed for 2 years. With the general trend in the auto shows of companies putting more basic models on the floor that represent what customers actually buy, turns out I had only been in the basic trimmed, 4-cyl. models. I thought they felt cheap and hated them.

For 2 years I kind of made fun of the GC actually. A couple months ago I was helping a friend car shop, and noticed one on the used lot where he was shopping. On a whim, I decided to take it for a spin. It was a well-trimmed V6, and after driving it let's just say it served up a nice big piece of humble pie for me.

Let me ask you this: Have you driven a 3.8 Track? See what it's like if you haven't, preferably a 2011 rather than the 2010. It probably won't change your mind about owning one, as you are very opinionated on the matter. But it might help you see it's a solid and capable sports coupe. The naming is stupid, don't expect it be a track car. It's really like a touring model with a sport package rather than a stripped out track-ready special...that would be the R-Spec.

It's no threat to the Z's market position as it stands now, and I agree with you that for the most part they target two different demographics. The overlap is very little, even smaller when put in perspective with the tiny production numbers of both. Next generation, all bets are off. Hyundai has too broad of a target now with its coupe, it needs to focus on one area really. With the Veloster hitting the market soon, I wouldn't be surprised if in the future Hyundai positions the Genesis Coupe as a more serious sporting machine, letting the Veloster take over much of the market that the 2.0T may have served.

ive not made fun of the genesis coupe directly. i think it's a great compromise to something like a G35C/G37C for people that might be looking for something sporty but doesn't make economic sense for them. this is where my comments about the walmart shopper comes in. i wanted the G, i got the G. if i wanted a M3, i would get the M3, although that will take a considerable more chunk of change from my allowance but if i wanted it that bad i would get one.

that said, and my previous posts, i do not fit in hyundai's demographics and have not driven the genesis coupe because i am not interested in getting one, cause gen-coupes to me is nothing but a copy of the G35C and 350Z and putting some hyundai goodness into one which i dont care for. and that's okay because they weren't targeting folks like me.

i never even thought of buying a hyundai so from that point you and i are different demographics. as you said, there might be a slight over lap in demographics but to compare the genesis coupe to the 370Z to me is like comparing apples to oranges. since you compared the two that says to me you consider these two cars similar... thus reinforcing my smart-shopper remark. it wasnt to really to offend, i just stereotyped you as one more in a playful manner but you originally took it offensively i guess.

even my G35C is a completely different car to my 370Z and it's both made by the same people. why would i have both cars if they were similar, right? would be a waste of money.

i suppose a valid comparison would be a used G35C vs the gen-coupe. that would be a good comparison, i think as G35C's are already phased out. i just happen to have mine still cause i still luv the car and im the original owner.

Montez · 06-29-2011, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ClevelandCWRU

See, this makes a lot more sense to me than any of your other posts. Fair enough, and thanks for the change in tone. I probably fit the demographics for a typical G37 buyer more than the other two, but it's not quite what I want. It was on my initial list of cars, but I moved on for a couple of reasons:

1) Dealer is just too far away. An hour+ is a long drive for routine service and hell of a tow bill. Already played that game with an awd FX35, not willing to again.
2) I really liked the car's appearance (and the G35's even more) but was a touch disappointed driving it. Thought the GC 3.8 Track was a more engaging drive, and the 370Z even better still. I was also put off by its ride quality for the type of car it is.

It's a very nice car, but not for me.

Well Nissan dealers will do your basic services on the G37, have had my wifes G35 oil changed and a few other things done there for the reason you mentioned distance to dealership. Now for Warranty stuff you would have to take it to the Infiniti dealership.

Methodical4u · 06-29-2011, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ-of-E

For its price range, I'd rather get the new BMW 1M as you get bits of better of everything, except the maintenance cost.

Unfortunately, like everyone said, my personality would more likely make me buy a Boss Mustang for the price...and I'm Asian. =P

I like the 135i series... the M really is just overkill IMO, though it is very nice looking, but 45 grand.. it's pretty high up there. A used G35 wouldn't likely even be half of that... now the G37 vs the 135i? For the price i'd have to go with the 135 or even a 3 series.

Methodical4u · 06-29-2011, 05:11 PM

OP, have you considered the Nismo model as well or just the touring? I assume the ride isn't as good since it's a stiffer set-up, but it's a nice looking model.

The one thing that I like is that while I know there are a decent amount of 370's out there... there aren't A LOT ... at least where I live... I see the GC a lot more often. I don't think the GC is bad looking at all though... I see a blue one all the time that's local to me and it's a great looking color.

The Nismo obviously being more rare than any of the cars we are talking about... BUT keep in mind that the resale will be higher on a 370 if you ever do decide to sell it.

SPOHN · 06-29-2011, 05:17 PM

Anyone happen to know the difference in insurance rates for the two for the average drive? Not sure if that matters to the OP.

Methodical4u · 06-29-2011, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN

Anyone happen to know the difference in insurance rates for the two for the average drive? Not sure if that matters to the OP.

I don't... i'm 32 and my insurance is 70 or so a month ... it actually went down going from a 2010 Mazdaspeed 3 to the Z.

SPOHN · 06-29-2011, 07:02 PM

Go Z man. I feel you'll love it more. Plus all the meets the Z community offers.

Methodical4u · 06-29-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN

Go Z man. I feel you'll love it more. Plus all the meets the Z community offers.

At least the people here aren't asshats like the MS3 forum people... total losers.

SPOHN · 06-29-2011, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Methodical4u

At least the people here aren't asshats like the MS3 forum people... total losers.

Cause we roll that way.

06-29-2011, 04:26 PM	#51 (permalink)
sojirovskensi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Dallas Texas Posts: 287 Drives: 10 Nissan 370z Wh M6 Rep Power: 14	I am Korean and still hold Korean citizenship for my patriotism. I am very proud of Hyundai for its progress of auto industry, and I really want you to buy Gen coupe so that Hyundai can make some profit. However, I chose my Z for many reasons and am willing to buy another Z rather than Gen coupe. End of story. FYI, Gen coupe F/L comes out September in Korea but I have no idea in North America market. You may want to do some research about that version due to its highly equipped options and 8 speed tranny. But I will keep my Z Last edited by sojirovskensi; 06-29-2011 at 04:29 PM.

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SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Anyone happen to know the difference in insurance rates for the two for the average drive? Not sure if that matters to the OP. __________________

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SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	Go Z man. I feel you'll love it more. Plus all the meets the Z community offers. __________________

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Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 16	OP, have you considered the Nismo model as well or just the touring? I assume the ride isn't as good since it's a stiffer set-up, but it's a nice looking model. The one thing that I like is that while I know there are a decent amount of 370's out there... there aren't A LOT ... at least where I live... I see the GC a lot more often. I don't think the GC is bad looking at all though... I see a blue one all the time that's local to me and it's a great looking color. The Nismo obviously being more rare than any of the cars we are talking about... BUT keep in mind that the resale will be higher on a 370 if you ever do decide to sell it.