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NYBladeZ 06-30-2011 12:02 PM

Thumbs up to a cool Dad, way to many haters on here but its like that on all forums. Personally I would hate the no modding rule since the Z is a tuners car.

Brutal 370Z 06-30-2011 12:29 PM

cool dad for sure. my dad bought me a Z when i was 16 too.

MacCool 06-30-2011 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nogoodname (Post 1193865)
why people hatin on the 18 yr old getting a Z.. I have a G and are pretty young haha. Don't hate.

It's not hating...it's statistics. Unmarried males age 16-23 are the most dangerous drivers on the road. Naturally there are outliers at either end of the bell-shaped curve, but as a group, those kids are by far the most likely to file insurance claims.

christian370z 06-30-2011 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 1197759)
It's not hating...it's statistics. Unmarried males age 16-23 are the most dangerous drivers on the road. Naturally there are outliers at either end of the bell-shaped curve, but as a group, those kids are by far the most likely to file insurance claims.

Yes, but the majority of that age group does not have any accidents so it is not fair to assume that a younger driver will always be irresponsible, have accidents and be incapable of exercising discipline and safe driving.

FromG2Z 06-30-2011 04:03 PM

Ok, I finally got a chance to read up on the posts, and I will get on my soapbox.

I don't really care if the kid is a responsible driver, excellent peripheral vision etc... fine, great.

What I do have an issue with (and this is due to personal experience that I can draw from) is a parent "buying it for him". I'm 33 now, but when I was 16, I worked for and paid for my own car, insurance, and gas. Granted it was a POS... in fact, it was a 1982 Ford Escort station wagon with rust all over, and blue colored door (rest of car was white). But you know what? I LOVED that car. I earned it. I worked for it. It was mine. I was proud of it. I washed that thing after school, and remember being so careful as to not to wash the rust off. I saw all these other kids with brand new or newer cars that mommy and daddy bought for them, and they in turn treated their "Gifts" like a$$... like they deserved or had the right to those gifts.

I vowed then and there that I would never be like that.

To this day, several new cars later, I am proud to say, that I am GLAD that I didn't receive a fancy car as a gift. I learned the value of hard work and patience and humility through my experience. No one will ever take that away from me.

As I raise my own child now, it truly is hard to 'practice what you preach', I'm sure. Maybe my tone will change as he gets older, but I definitely won't be buying him a new/relatively new sports car when he turns 16 or 18 for that matter. I'll be sure he works and saves his money, and "maybe" help him buy a much older used car to get him started.

IMO, there is nothing more rewarding than being able to obtain what you yourself personally worked hard for.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now.

RDGR12 06-30-2011 04:46 PM

@RCK - If you can afford to buy the warranty, I don't see any reason for not getting one. Especially when modifying the Z is not in the picture.

+1 on enrolling him to driving school.

I'm sure you're raised your son well and have adopted your teachings for him to deserve such a nice gift!

MacCool 06-30-2011 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1197780)
Yes, but the majority of that age group does not have any accidents so it is not fair to assume that a younger driver will always be irresponsible, have accidents and be incapable of exercising discipline and safe driving.

So...it's not fair for insurance companies to charge higher premiums for unmarried male drivers age 16-23? Their actuarial data is wrong?

dpirch531 06-30-2011 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1197811)
Ok, I finally got a chance to read up on the posts, and I will get on my soapbox.

I don't really care if the kid is a responsible driver, excellent peripheral vision etc... fine, great.

What I do have an issue with (and this is due to personal experience that I can draw from) is a parent "buying it for him". I'm 33 now, but when I was 16, I worked for and paid for my own car, insurance, and gas. Granted it was a POS... in fact, it was a 1982 Ford Escort station wagon with rust all over, and blue colored door (rest of car was white). But you know what? I LOVED that car. I earned it. I worked for it. It was mine. I was proud of it. I washed that thing after school, and remember being so careful as to not to wash the rust off. I saw all these other kids with brand new or newer cars that mommy and daddy bought for them, and they in turn treated their "Gifts" like a$$... like they deserved or had the right to those gifts.

I vowed then and there that I would never be like that.

To this day, several new cars later, I am proud to say, that I am GLAD that I didn't receive a fancy car as a gift. I learned the value of hard work and patience and humility through my experience. No one will ever take that away from me.

As I raise my own child now, it truly is hard to 'practice what you preach', I'm sure. Maybe my tone will change as he gets older, but I definitely won't be buying him a new/relatively new sports car when he turns 16 or 18 for that matter. I'll be sure he works and saves his money, and "maybe" help him buy a much older used car to get him started.

IMO, there is nothing more rewarding than being able to obtain what you yourself personally worked hard for.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now.


Couldn't of said it any better ^. Agree 100%

Rooster89 06-30-2011 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FromG2Z (Post 1197811)
Ok, I finally got a chance to read up on the posts, and I will get on my soapbox.

I don't really care if the kid is a responsible driver, excellent peripheral vision etc... fine, great.

What I do have an issue with (and this is due to personal experience that I can draw from) is a parent "buying it for him". I'm 33 now, but when I was 16, I worked for and paid for my own car, insurance, and gas. Granted it was a POS... in fact, it was a 1982 Ford Escort station wagon with rust all over, and blue colored door (rest of car was white). But you know what? I LOVED that car. I earned it. I worked for it. It was mine. I was proud of it. I washed that thing after school, and remember being so careful as to not to wash the rust off. I saw all these other kids with brand new or newer cars that mommy and daddy bought for them, and they in turn treated their "Gifts" like a$$... like they deserved or had the right to those gifts.

I vowed then and there that I would never be like that.

To this day, several new cars later, I am proud to say, that I am GLAD that I didn't receive a fancy car as a gift. I learned the value of hard work and patience and humility through my experience. No one will ever take that away from me.

As I raise my own child now, it truly is hard to 'practice what you preach', I'm sure. Maybe my tone will change as he gets older, but I definitely won't be buying him a new/relatively new sports car when he turns 16 or 18 for that matter. I'll be sure he works and saves his money, and "maybe" help him buy a much older used car to get him started.

IMO, there is nothing more rewarding than being able to obtain what you yourself personally worked hard for.

Ok, I'm off my soapbox now.

:tup:

PapoZalsa 06-30-2011 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 1189953)
Superb driver?....outstanding peripheral vision?... Wow. I really hope your just trolling, because there is no such thing as a responsible 18 year old when you put him behind the wheel of sports car. It's one thing when he's driving with his Mom holding his hand, another when he's alone or with a girl/guy.

:iagree:

Superb driver?.... I'm in my 40s, driven in the Autobahn, own over 50 cars and don't consider myself a superb driver.

:bowrofl:

outstanding peripheral vision?...Are u an Optometry?

:roflpuke2:

Sorry but those are strong statements!

Quote:

Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 1197780)
Yes, but the majority of that age group does not have any accidents so it is not fair to assume that a younger driver will always be irresponsible, have accidents and be incapable of exercising discipline and safe driving.

Check the stats real carefull....you will know when you have teen drivers in your house and your insurance goes off the roof. ;)

whoady4shoady 07-03-2011 04:31 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKp5a...rec_grec_index

TongMan 07-03-2011 09:22 PM

I totally agree with FromG2Z. Working hard for something is so much rewarding than someone handing over a 40 grand car to a teen. Parents in modern days love to spoil their kids.

Parents nowadays forget to re-enforce the belief that one should be hard working and earn what they have.

PapoZalsa 07-03-2011 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TongMan (Post 1202423)
I totally agree with FromG2Z. Working hard for something is so much rewarding than someone handing over a 40 grand car to a teen. Parents in modern days love to spoil their kids.

Parents nowadays forget to re-enforce the belief that one should be hard working and earn what they have.

:iagree: :iagree:

There are born with a Silver Spoon up thier a$$ and will never appreciate a car because they never have to sacrifice themself for what they want.

butdamnbrian 07-03-2011 10:09 PM

clueless dad shouldnt be shocked at the negative responses he gets on the forum, which is populated by hardworking dedicated enthusiasts who work hard for their z's and live for the hobby. he comes on here posting about how he just bought his teenage kid the car we all worked our asses off for, and defends it by saying his kid is responsible. how obnoxious is that?

chuckd05 07-03-2011 11:34 PM

If you have the means to be able to buy your children nice things, and you believe they are responsible, and that is what makes you happy and proud to be able to do for your children, than by all means do so. You are a very nice father.

Some people just can't relate and others are hating for other reasons but there is nothing wrong with what you have done as long as it is appreciated and deserved.

The uncalled for negative responses are obnoxious, IMO


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