Bad Driving Habits (M/T)

kenchan · 02-23-2012, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Z_Girl

Nah, I gotta agree with kenchan, I always keep it in neutral at lights. Who wants to have to hold the clutch in the whole time anyways?

hey z_girl!

AlphaSnacks · 02-23-2012, 06:17 PM

I feel like a lot of people may not necessarily understand the throw out bearing (release bearing for European cars) and why it's bad to ride the clutch or always keep your clutch down at a light and while in gear.

Throwout bearings were commonly weak components on older transmissions, and I'm sure there are still some new cars out there with crappy release bearings. We had an '88 E30 325i project car that my buddies and I stripped. It was a running car with a 2.8L M52B swap from a 528i. I almost never drove the car, but within 4 months my friends managed to kill the clutch...and sure enough it was the throwout bearing, because they thought it was cool to roll up and down on hills, always keeping the car in gear with the clutch down ready for take off. The bearing began to make crazy noises and it had a ton of play when it came time to take the car apart anyway. Granted, they're both 5 years younger than me and this was about 3 years back.

I'd say sometime after the 2000s, it became a much, much smaller concern of worry for the habitual clutch holders as the bearings were manufactured to take more abuse. But older cars are the reason why people still encourage others not to put unnecessary wear on the bearing and not to hold the clutch down excessively - but it still is a part that will wear down with time. After all, when your foot is down on the clutch, the bearing WILL actually spin along with the pressure plate since it is engaging the flywheel, and then the release of your foot will engage the clutch and transfer momentum to the wheels. So why have it spin needlessly for minutes at a light, or while you coast in neutral, etc? Let go of the pedal.

Edit: For the record, I always keep my foot firmly on the brake when in neutral. I don't keep the clutch down with the car in 1st at lights.

vividracing · 02-23-2012, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

My very worst habit is driving an automatic and instinctually pushing the clutch to the floor, only to find an extended brake pedal instead.

When I drive my gals car I must plant my left foot flat on the floor to avoid this.

Every. Single. Time. lol I hate that.

Another habit I have when driving my chicks car is forgetting that my vehicle takes up the whole lane. I'm so used to being able to ride on either the left or right side of the lane on my bike, that I forget I can't do that in a car.

mhcoss · 02-24-2012, 01:27 AM

I got a question:

For those who can't heel toe (like myself) how do you down shift? If I am braking and down shifting I usually use the clutch to rev match. Is that clutch murder?

alcheng · 02-24-2012, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhcoss

I got a question:

For those who can't heel toe (like myself) how do you down shift? If I am braking and down shifting I usually use the clutch to rev match. Is that clutch murder?

I think you are saying slowly release the clutch while slowing down at low speed ie approaching traffic lights, right??

mhcoss · 02-24-2012, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcheng

I think you are saying slowly release the clutch while slowing down at low speed ie approaching traffic lights, right??

Ya basically. Like from 3-2 If I see traffic slowing down and i have to break i'll clutch switch gears and then hold the clutch at friction point untill revs have matched then release

alcheng · 02-24-2012, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhcoss

Ya basically. Like from 3-2 If I see traffic slowing down and i have to break i'll clutch switch gears and then hold the clutch at friction point untill revs have matched then release

As long as you don't hold it at the friction point for too long, it should be fine

mhcoss · 02-24-2012, 02:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alcheng

As long as you don't hold it at the friction point for too long, it should be fine

Nah not long at all. IS that a standard down shift? No one really taught me standard lol my down shifts are usually pretty quick unless i'm going into 2nd or 1st

Vince · 02-24-2012, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am

My very worst habit is driving an automatic and instinctually pushing the clutch to the floor, only to find an extended brake pedal instead.

When I drive my gals car I must plant my left foot flat on the floor to avoid this.

I did this a few years ago really bad. I hit the brake so hard the ABS kicked in. Scared the sh!t out of the guy behind me.

kenchan · 02-24-2012, 07:01 AM

Yah. I too think whoever thought of putting wide brake pedal on AT is an idiot.

Nick911sc · 02-24-2012, 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhcoss

Ya basically. Like from 3-2 If I see traffic slowing down and i have to break i'll clutch switch gears and then hold the clutch at friction point untill revs have matched then release

Don't do this... You're riding the clutch at the friction point until revs drop. It be less stress on the car for you to just teach yourself how to rev match. Trial and error!

ZMan8 · 02-24-2012, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick911sc

Don't do this... You're riding the clutch at the friction point until revs drop. It be less stress on the car for you to just teach yourself how to rev match. Trial and error!

Or just get the Sport package SRM system

Nick911sc · 02-24-2012, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZMan8

Or just get the Sport package SRM system

SRM is cool until you get into another manual transmission car and need to rev match -_-

kenchan · 02-24-2012, 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenchan

Yah. I too think whoever thought of putting wide brake pedal on AT is an idiot.

oh wait, that's my post...

ZMan8 · 02-24-2012, 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nick911sc

SRM is cool until you get into another manual transmission car and need to rev match -_-

I know the feeling since my daily car is manual as well. Somehow I got use to it though and know that unless it's the Z, I have to rev match. I more so have issues with trying to rev match with SRM on in the Z

02-23-2012, 06:17 PM	#137 (permalink)
AlphaSnacks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Windermere, FL Posts: 1,618 Drives: '13 XKR-S, '10 370Z Rep Power: 18	I feel like a lot of people may not necessarily understand the throw out bearing (release bearing for European cars) and why it's bad to ride the clutch or always keep your clutch down at a light and while in gear. Throwout bearings were commonly weak components on older transmissions, and I'm sure there are still some new cars out there with crappy release bearings. We had an '88 E30 325i project car that my buddies and I stripped. It was a running car with a 2.8L M52B swap from a 528i. I almost never drove the car, but within 4 months my friends managed to kill the clutch...and sure enough it was the throwout bearing, because they thought it was cool to roll up and down on hills, always keeping the car in gear with the clutch down ready for take off. The bearing began to make crazy noises and it had a ton of play when it came time to take the car apart anyway. Granted, they're both 5 years younger than me and this was about 3 years back. I'd say sometime after the 2000s, it became a much, much smaller concern of worry for the habitual clutch holders as the bearings were manufactured to take more abuse. But older cars are the reason why people still encourage others not to put unnecessary wear on the bearing and not to hold the clutch down excessively - but it still is a part that will wear down with time. After all, when your foot is down on the clutch, the bearing WILL actually spin along with the pressure plate since it is engaging the flywheel, and then the release of your foot will engage the clutch and transfer momentum to the wheels. So why have it spin needlessly for minutes at a light, or while you coast in neutral, etc? Let go of the pedal. Edit: For the record, I always keep my foot firmly on the brake when in neutral. I don't keep the clutch down with the car in 1st at lights. Last edited by AlphaSnacks; 02-23-2012 at 06:51 PM.

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02-24-2012, 01:27 AM	#139 (permalink)
mhcoss Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Edmonton Posts: 520 Drives: 2012 370Z SPORT M/T Rep Power: 14	I got a question: For those who can't heel toe (like myself) how do you down shift? If I am braking and down shifting I usually use the clutch to rev match. Is that clutch murder?

02-24-2012, 07:01 AM	#145 (permalink)
kenchan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N/A Posts: 76,801 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 141520	Yah. I too think whoever thought of putting wide brake pedal on AT is an idiot.