how many people think the Z34 is the last Z for a long while?

Montez · 04-11-2011, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sonic370

i don't think it will be 1997 all over again. if i recall the car towards the end was
way over priced for the market then...

but the big shots at nissan have a tough call to make..........
just when they get it right do they just walk away.........
i can't say for sure but i'm guessing the 2 seater is hurting for everyone..
how many vettes is gm selling. i know not the same market...
but thats my point imho the 370 owns it's market 32-40k sports car...

i would hate to see it go.. but if there is another generation it's got to keep
up with the Jones. TT or V8.

Well when I say 97 I mean its gone from production......maybe under different circumstances but it sales dropped year after year. As Full Monty stated it has to make a profit to pay for materials, manpower etc to produce it. If its not profitable to them no matter how much we like it etc. its a goner, thats just they way business works.

mjd77 · 04-12-2011, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Nissan is the only company right now that has no buzz on its affordable sports car. I know nissan never devulges its final product till the very end but, they normally like to create buzz. Nissan corp has done nothing to incite excitement in the Z product.

Coming from the rotary crowd...trust me... Nissan is not the only brand that likes to leave you hanging. All we have are a million rumors and not a peep from Mazda. They've done plenty to piss off the rotorheads over the last few years.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-14-2011, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mjd77

Coming from the rotary crowd...trust me... Nissan is not the only brand that likes to leave you hanging. All we have are a million rumors and not a peep from Mazda. They've done plenty to piss off the rotorheads over the last few years.

Not to change subject

Oh I know. I had the 93 Rx7. I remember how pissed I got when they pulled em from sale without notice. Just one day dealerships were telling customers what's on the lots is what is left for this model. The car magazines found out second. When the rx8 came out I laughed. Coming from the old rx I couldn't do it. My 10 year old car looked better than the new car and was much faster. Terrrrible. I didn't lose love for mazda but I don't see myself buying one for a long time.

Lemers · 04-11-2011, 04:20 PM

Somehow in peoples minds a good sports car translates into all the cars from that company are good. So until the sports car market drops across all manufactures Nissan will still make it. Notice that Toyota only started to talk about bringing back a sports car after their lead in the market dropped.

Lemers · 04-11-2011, 08:08 PM

Maybe Nissan could do what the rest of the manufactures are doing to sell more cars. Offer a choice of 2 engines. Offer a turbo 4 for 20k to 25k and the v6 for 30k to 35k (40k fully loaded).

That would prevent the need for a separate 240sx platform. And would increase MPGs among the Z models. Let's face it the v6 20k mustangs and camaros are what make the v8s profitable.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-11-2011, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Maybe Nissan could do what the rest of the manufactures are doing to sell more cars. Offer a choice of 2 engines. Offer a turbo 4 for 20k to 25k and the v6 for 30k to 35k (40k fully loaded).

That would prevent the need for a separate 240sx platform. And would increase MPGs among the Z models. Let's face it the v6 20k mustangs and camaros are what make the v8s profitable.

That could work, but they would need to add some serious improvements to the V6 to compete with the V8 pony cars.

wdkwang · 04-11-2011, 09:10 PM

i dont believe there will ever be a v4 z. part of the heritage is that it's always been a v6 since the 240z. i have to assume that the next model z will be a bored out 4.0L or higher. or maybe ~3.8L with turbo

Lemers · 04-11-2011, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by wdkwang

i dont believe there will ever be a v4 z. part of the heritage is that it's always been a v6 since the 240z. i have to assume that the next model z will be a bored out 4.0L or higher. or maybe ~3.8L with turbo

Wasnt much heritage for a 2+2, turbo, or even the t-tops when Nissan did those things to the Z. Nissan already has a turbo 4 in the juke and could easily bring it to the Z with little test and R&R. Profit comes before heritage.

didymus · 04-12-2011, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by wdkwang

i dont believe there will ever be a v4 z. part of the heritage is that it's always been a v6 since the 240z. i have to assume that the next model z will be a bored out 4.0L or higher. or maybe ~3.8L with turbo

Actually the older z's were straight 6s. But I agree. If anything I bet they go direct inj and/or turbo 6

Lemers · 04-12-2011, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by didymus

Actually the older z's were straight 6s. But I agree. If anything I bet they go direct inj and/or turbo 6

Direct injection would make since with the current engine. It would help Nissan make MPG goals and an added bonus of a bump in HP. However in terms of making the Z more profitable so it doesnt go the way of pontiac a turbo 6 for the regular Z would greatly increase overall cost of production with the inability of Nissan to raise the price.

I fully believe that the NISMO should be around $50k with a TT setup.

b1adesofcha0s · 04-12-2011, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Direct injection would make since with the current engine. It would help Nissan make MPG goals and an added bonus of a bump in HP. However in terms of making the Z more profitable so it doesnt go the way of pontiac a turbo 6 for the regular Z would greatly increase overall cost of production with the inability of Nissan to raise the price.

I fully believe that the NISMO should be around $50k with a TT setup.

sonic370 · 04-12-2011, 07:22 PM

i agree with the statement about the Z getting leftovers from the G37........

ain't nothing wrong with that... pretty good leftovers.......

didymus · 04-14-2011, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lemers

Direct injection would make since with the current engine. It would help Nissan make MPG goals and an added bonus of a bump in HP. However in terms of making the Z more profitable so it doesnt go the way of pontiac a turbo 6 for the regular Z would greatly increase overall cost of production with the inability of Nissan to raise the price.

I fully believe that the NISMO should be around $50k with a TT setup.

I suspect they would make the TT an option, like they did with the 280zx and 300zx(es). It does beg the question as to whether there is a market for both versions though, and whether development would be profitable. I mean what market/competition would a 50k 380z be in? That risks repeating the mistakes of the last gen 300zx. From what I can figure, a 1990 TT cost about 32k which is ~52k today. By 1995 it was closer to 43.5K (61K today).

See also this thread:
Historical Z Prices

b1adesofcha0s · 04-12-2011, 02:00 PM

IIRC there is a new G37 coupe coming out soon and I think it's safe to assume that any engine upgrades the G37 gets will be coming to the Z next. The VQ37 isn't only used for the Z, it's used on several Infiniti models as well. If Nissan makes improvements to the engine for Infiniti, it shouldn't be too hard to start putting those same engines in the Z.

wilsonp · 04-12-2011, 06:34 PM

A 370Z Touring with Sport+Nav is still considerably cheaper than a Cayman - I was looking at used Cayman's when I was deciding to get rid of the NSX.

I see a used Cayman S PDK is still close to $60k, and I paid $32k for my 2009 370Z, with a $3k drop probably available if I hadn't traded.

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Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 54	Somehow in peoples minds a good sports car translates into all the cars from that company are good. So until the sports car market drops across all manufactures Nissan will still make it. Notice that Toyota only started to talk about bringing back a sports car after their lead in the market dropped. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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Lemers A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Izmir, Turkey Posts: 15,371 Drives: 2012 Traverse LTZ Rep Power: 54	Maybe Nissan could do what the rest of the manufactures are doing to sell more cars. Offer a choice of 2 engines. Offer a turbo 4 for 20k to 25k and the v6 for 30k to 35k (40k fully loaded). That would prevent the need for a separate 240sx platform. And would increase MPGs among the Z models. Let's face it the v6 20k mustangs and camaros are what make the v8s profitable. __________________ 2010 Black Cherry Touring/Sport/Nav Now - 2012 Travese LTZ until I leave for Turkey

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wdkwang Track Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 899 Drives: slidewayz Rep Power: 22	i dont believe there will ever be a v4 z. part of the heritage is that it's always been a v6 since the 240z. i have to assume that the next model z will be a bored out 4.0L or higher. or maybe ~3.8L with turbo __________________ Powerhouse Amuse \| K&N Typhoon Intakes \| MotorDyne ART Pipes \| Borla Catback Exhaust \| B&M Short Shifter \| Intake Ducts \| Ichiba 25mm F/R Spacers \| Carbon Fiber Interior Vinyl Wrap \| Tints \| 10000k HIDs \| Vtak, yo!

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 143	IIRC there is a new G37 coupe coming out soon and I think it's safe to assume that any engine upgrades the G37 gets will be coming to the Z next. The VQ37 isn't only used for the Z, it's used on several Infiniti models as well. If Nissan makes improvements to the engine for Infiniti, it shouldn't be too hard to start putting those same engines in the Z. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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wilsonp A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,134 Drives: 2009 Touring Sp Nav Rep Power: 18	A 370Z Touring with Sport+Nav is still considerably cheaper than a Cayman - I was looking at used Cayman's when I was deciding to get rid of the NSX. I see a used Cayman S PDK is still close to $60k, and I paid $32k for my 2009 370Z, with a $3k drop probably available if I hadn't traded. __________________ 2014 Cayman S PDK Sport Chrono White/Black Was 2009 370Z Touring Sport+Nav 7AT Metallic Black/Persimmon Was 1991 NSX Auto Black/Black

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