370z vs ferrari f430
 

hello im the ultimate noob

how much worth of mods does it take for a z to beat a ferrari f430 in say 0-100mph? :D. is a turbocharger enough?

thanks, nitenite

Yes. Twin Turbo Kit to be exact.:tup:
And since you beef up your power you will have to add some more meat in the rears and front as well.
Get stiffer with coilovers and upgrade your clutch.
Get a short shiter as well.
Brake pads, stainless steel braklines, rotors.

Did you just say Ferrari F430? The answer is NEVER! You Z will NEVER outperform a Ferrari F430. Please never throw such comparisons. You comparing 370Z to a Ferrari F430 is like comparing Chevy Cobalt to a Corvette ZR1!!!

As for making your car FASTER, there's plenty of different approaches. The bigger questions are "How much do you want to spend?" and "How Fast do you want to make it?" Someone who is a car noob (is this your first sports coupe?), I'd stick with Exhaust/intake/tune/better braking (gripper pad) etc. 332 HP should be plenty of power. Many of us Z owners are VERY happy with the stock power and handling. Just my :twocents: of course.

I would beg to differ on your opinion. I believe any car can be made "nice". I am sure if some one wanted to spend the money they could get the z to comparable status. It still wont be a Ferrari but maybe thats a good thing, I don't want to spontaneously combust. The Z's engine just goes limp before it gets hot enough to melt haha.

While I don't think that a Z could beat a F430 Scuderia, it's within reason to say that the Z can very readily beat an F430. However, you'd need a lot of money...

First things first, you've got to increase power. The Stillen supercharger gives the Z about 450 rwhp. A TT setup could potentially give you 1000HP if you modded the Z enough. GTM already produces increased-displacement modifications, up to a whopping 4.5L. That combined with a twin turbo is huge potential.

If you want to beat a F430, even a Scuderia, on a drag strip, that's easy. Big engine, big turbo, big tires, and a rock-hard suspension. Well, you'd also need a VERY good driver. It's difficult to shift a 1000HP car, let alone try to beat one with a six (seven?) speed sequential gearbox that can shift as fast, if not faster, than you can blink an eye.

That being said, the mods I did mention would put you back a LOT on funds. In fact, I'm sure that for the parts and labor involved, as well as dyno tunes and etc., you could actually buy another 370Z, possibly even a NISMO. Not to mention how much gas that will use (and I doubt premium pump will have enough anti-knock without alcohol or water injection).

All of the above is assuming said F430 is stock.

If you're arguing with your enthusiast (or ignorant) car guy/girl, you can reasonably beat an F430 with less money than it costs to buy an F430. If you plan on trying to track against an F430, I would wait for three years or more's worth of disposable income before you even start to think about going against that Ferrari.

Better yet, I suppose you forget about that and buy a 911 turbo S or a 911 GT3. You know what, forget that, just buy a 458 Italia. That will tell that F430 what for.

:shakes head:

trade it in for a 2012 GT-R. that would take care of most ferraris and supercars :)

That would definitely beat a 911 turbo. Much more forgiving than a Ferrari.

I can't believe he even got a response for such a question :wtf2:

Agreed with AK,Ferrari & our Z are totally diffrence class of car,sports car vs supercar.

If you watch any decent car show, you'll know that there is more to performance than horsepower. It's only the American approach that puts a bigger engine in a car to 'beat' a competitor. The Z with a TT kit will NOT be a replacement for an F430.

I think of it this way:
Replacement means identical (or better) in every way. Sure you can make a Z get to 100mph faster than an F430. You may also be able to have it brake from 70-0 faster. But to make the whole package...to corner, accelerate, stop, etc etc better than an F430 you'll need a race team's budget behind you. A TT will make the Z faster, coil overs will help with cornering ability, a BBK with repeated stopping. But you still have a 3300+lb car. Are you going to find a company to custom make every body panel in carbon fiber? How would you fix the 56/44 weight distribution in the Z without adding weight to the back?

Just like in the video games, building a car doesn't make it drivable. You may end up with a terrible handling beast that is more of an abomination than a Ferrari killer. I'd suggest to enjoy the Z as it is or up your budget and buy a different car.

When I was contemplating doing a TT 370Z, I was told by GTM that the stock clutch will hold 450whp just fine unless you are hitting the strip with slicks.

That being said, the 370Z will never beat an F430. It might be faster, but that's something else entirely.

Also, 0-100? Nonono.

If you are playing with the big boys, it's 60-130+. That's what will show you what car has the juevos

Agree!

But here's a great vid though.

YouTube - Twin turbo Nissan 350z vs. new 06 Viper

i think the old saying "anything is possible if you have the money" applies here.

^ with women also. :icon17:

thx guys im learning alot from these forums

and speaking of twin turbos. In the GTM website there were 3 types of TT kits listed. One says (tuner), then (turn key), then (set up). what are the differences for all of these. And also they are cheaper than the TT from the Greddy website. So i assume GTM is the better way to go ?

Also a bit of a noob, how will a TT kit affect the driveability (may have just made this word up ;)) of a 370Z with the 7 speed auto?

Also, I think with the amount of money you would spend to try and make the 370Z faster than the f430, you could probably trade/sell it and buy the 2012 GT-R, which is probably faster than the Ferrari 458 as well.

You need to study some car history.
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I disagree. It think a 370z could be developed into a 430 beater. Just would be very expensive. Extensive lightening, lots of suspension work, huge tires, and ground up turbo build. But your talking $1ooK of work.

My $15k 200 hp Porsche 914 race car had opportunity to chase a 430 all day at Laguna SECA Granted driver wasnt pushing the car to limits but chase footage is still classic. I love it when he dusts me in straights only to have me reel him back in in the more technical sections.

YouTube - 2480cc Porsche 914-6 vs 500 HP Ferrari F430 - Laguna Seca
YouTube - 2480cc Porsche 914-6 vs 500 HP Ferrari F430 - Laguna Seca

Performance wise, it's more than possible. A lot of what makes a Ferrari so special is the attention to detail and craftsmanship. The thing is, by the time you throw enough mods on the z to match the Ferrari, it will have cost you nearly the same amount considering all the parts and r&d involved.

After reviewing top gear I found that the F430 had a lap time of 122.9 The Z had a time of 127.5. A difference of only 4.6 sec. I think the Z with upgraded everything could perform at the level of the f430

:iagree: performance wise.

(for less than the price of a Nissan GT-R) on paper at least, the new camaro ZL1 should be able to handle the Ferrari F430, but who knows? there is no performance data for the ZL1 at this time.

Ferrari F430
4.3L V8
483 hp

Camaro ZL1
6.2L V8
550 hp

The OP's question is interesting, though somewhat irrelevant. They are absolutely different cars, built to different standards and targeting to absolutely different markets. For not too much money (relatively speaking compared to an F430;s cost) one could build a early 70's Camaro or Chevelle to beat the Ferrari in 0 to 100. So what?

Attempting to consider the difference between a built (no money limit) 370z and an F430 reminds me of the people who ponder whether Capt. Kirk or Capt. Picard would win in a fight. Interesting (for dorks), but pointless.

Have a great day.

just buy a gtr and be done

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That Camaro has 550( I think that right, it's up there) torque also. My money would be on the Chevy.

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Very true. It's kind of like comparing the F430 to the Veyron. Exclusivity also has a premium.

Yup, and no matter what you do the Z will never feel like a Ferrari (if that is also a criteria).

all you need is drop ins...

maybe a sticker too

Hell yeah, My 370z sticker give me +100hp/100tq. :driving:

:tup:

Shoot - I got the wrong one then. I'm only putting down 95/93 at the wheels with my stickie. :shakes head:

You need to make sure the sticker is abhorrently large and always clean. Sort of like an air filter or something.

And if you got the COJONES to go 130+! ;)

I've gone 135. I don't know if it was the cojones or the stupidity.

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