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370Z Purist 02-14-2011 12:03 AM

The only problem I see with the above is the high likelihood that you will get sucked into it and DIE.

SPOHN 02-14-2011 09:22 AM

I can see that blowing up with you in the car.

Mt Tam I am 02-14-2011 10:13 AM

The only thing the Z has going for it vs the Ferrari, is the younger driver. The Ferrari is designed for a young man, but only an old man can afford it (generally speaking). As 6Spd said "Buy the GTR".

InTheZone 02-14-2011 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 939215)
Did you just say Ferrari F430? The answer is NEVER! You Z will NEVER outperform a Ferrari F430. Please never throw such comparisons. You comparing 370Z to a Ferrari F430 is like comparing Chevy Cobalt to a Corvette ZR1!!!


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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 939267)
If you watch any decent car show, you'll know that there is more to performance than horsepower. It's only the American approach that puts a bigger engine in a car to 'beat' a competitor. The Z with a TT kit will NOT be a replacement for an F430.

I think of it this way:
Replacement means identical (or better) in every way. Sure you can make a Z get to 100mph faster than an F430. You may also be able to have it brake from 70-0 faster. But to make the whole package...to corner, accelerate, stop, etc etc better than an F430 you'll need a race team's budget behind you. A TT will make the Z faster, coil overs will help with cornering ability, a BBK with repeated stopping. But you still have a 3300+lb car. Are you going to find a company to custom make every body panel in carbon fiber? How would you fix the 56/44 weight distribution in the Z without adding weight to the back?

Just like in the video games, building a car doesn't make it drivable. You may end up with a terrible handling beast that is more of an abomination than a Ferrari killer. I'd suggest to enjoy the Z as it is or up your budget and buy a different car.

TT+various engine/drivetrain upgrades, upgraded brake system, upgraded suspension components would be most of the work. For a street tire you probably can't beat Neova's, not sure what the better tires would for a track.

A Ferrari F430 is not some lightweight car. You say the 370z is 3300+lb(base model actually weighs 3250lbs), well the F430 weighs in at 3197lbs, not much of a difference.

Yes there are some cars that just can't compete on a strip AND on a track no matter how much money you put into them, but the F430 isn't some untouchable car by any means you don't need a "race team's budget" to compete.

And the weight distribution on the 370 is 54/46 without any passengers, not as bad as 56/44. F430's is 43/57.

Stock for stock, 370z can't compete period everyone knows that. But saying a STOCK cobalt vs a zr1 is the same as a modified 370z vs a F430 si ridiculous.

The ZR1 stock could compete with the F430, so Colbalt>370z? Just saying...

Lug 02-14-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Z Purist (Post 940287)
The only problem I see with the above is the high likelihood that you will get sucked into it and DIE.

You are either dedicated to winning or not.

Lug 02-14-2011 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SPOHN (Post 940449)
I can see that blowing up with you in the car.

That depends on if you get Stillen or GTM to build it.









..........flees forum

Shamu 02-14-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by onzedge (Post 939633)
The OP's question is interesting, though somewhat irrelevant. They are absolutely different cars, built to different standards and targeting to absolutely different markets. For not too much money (relatively speaking compared to an F430;s cost) one could build a early 70's Camaro or Chevelle to beat the Ferrari in 0 to 100. So what?

Attempting to consider the difference between a built (no money limit) 370z and an F430 reminds me of the people who ponder whether Capt. Kirk or Capt. Picard would win in a fight. Interesting (for dorks), but pointless.

Have a great day.

Pretty sure I'd put my money on Kirk to win. ...unless Picard were to be modded by the Borg.

Mt Tam I am 02-14-2011 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Shamu (Post 940782)
Pretty sure I'd put my money on Kirk to win. ...unless Picard were to be modded by the Borg.


Me too. The second Kirk's shirt got ripped, Piccard would have his own rear end served up on a plate.

ThoriumHotdog 02-14-2011 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 939631)
(for less than the price of a Nissan GT-R) on paper at least, the new camaro ZL1 should be able to handle the Ferrari F430, but who knows? there is no performance data for the ZL1 at this time.

Ferrari F430
4.3L V8
483 hp

Camaro ZL1
6.2L V8
550 hp



If horsepower and displacement was all that mattered then sure, the Camaro could win. But you need to factor in the weight of each car, the handling, the technology behind the curtain that lets the power be put down... etc etc.

No, the Z28/ZL1 will not beat a F430.

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Originally Posted by GZ3 (Post 939910)
all you need is drop ins...

And a turbonator!

dad 02-14-2011 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoriumHotdog (Post 941022)
If horsepower and displacement was all that mattered then sure, the Camaro could win. But you need to factor in the weight of each car, the handling, the technology behind the curtain that lets the power be put down... etc etc.

No, the Z28/ZL1 will not beat a F430.



And a turbonator!

They both weigh about the same, quarter mile- I say yes(Camaro win). But, not in a mile long run, the Ferrari would definitely win.

NYBladeZ 02-14-2011 03:53 PM

It doesn't matter how much you spend, even if you manage to "outperform" an F430, the Ferrari will likely be more reliable. More importantly, in the end its a Ferrari, he'll whoop you on the track and then steal your girlfriend lol.

Just picking on the noob, I used to ask similar questions when I was really young.

theDreamer 02-14-2011 03:54 PM

A camaro zl1 weights ~3100 pounds? Sorry but not happening, a Camaro SS is in the ~3900 range and throw on the upgrades the car will be in the 4000.

toxik 02-14-2011 03:58 PM

more than you can afford pal. ferrari.



oh wait wrong thread :ugh2:

cossie1600 02-14-2011 03:59 PM

As my ex would say, "Exotic Cars=Liquid Panties Dissolver"

dad 02-14-2011 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 941061)
A camaro zl1 weights ~3100 pounds? Sorry but not happening, a Camaro SS is in the ~3900 range and throw on the upgrades the car will be in the 4000.

Ferrari F430-3,100 lbs., Camaro SS-3,900 lbs., Your correct, I had to go look it up!

Shamu 02-14-2011 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 941099)
Ferrari F430-3,100 lbs., Camaro SS-3,900 lbs., Your correct, I had to go look it up!

More important. F car is mid engine with weight over rear wheels. It has traction advantage.

However I still say a 370 z could be built to rape a stock 430. You guys think f cars are magic. ...not. A 900 hp blown 370z with worked suspension could easily spank a stock 430. Just bring money.:tiphat:

geohartanto 02-14-2011 08:53 PM

i mean more like say acceleration from 50mph to like 100mph on a straight line. a modded z can surely win right?

GZ3 02-14-2011 09:04 PM

ok add post MAF tubes...

onzedge 02-14-2011 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Mt Tam I am (Post 941005)
Me too. The second Kirk's shirt got ripped, Piccard would have his own rear end served up on a plate.

Yeah -- Kirk for the win and he always ends up with alien p00ntang,

dad 02-14-2011 10:19 PM

I have consulted with Jedi Yoda. I'm changing my response to the win in favor of the Ferrari F430, instead of the Camaro!

mick 02-14-2011 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by dad (Post 941734)
I have consulted with Jedi Yoda. I'm changing my response to the win in favor of the Ferrari F430, instead of the Camaro!

looks like for less than the price of a Nissan GT-R, the corvette Z06 can handle the Ferrari F430

2010 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.5
2011 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter mile 11.6


2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.5
2009 Ferrari F430 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.5

source:
0-60 Times | 0 to 60 MPH and Quarter Mile times including Fast Sports Car, Muscle Car, Luxury Car and 2011 Cars 0-60 Times performance stats!

dad 02-14-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 941759)
looks like for less than the price of a Nissan GT-R, the corvette Z06 can handle the Ferrari F430

2010 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.5
2011 Chevrolet Corvette ZO6 0-60 mph 3.6 Quarter mile 11.6


2008 Ferrari F430 Scuderia 0-60 mph 3.5 Quarter mile 11.5
2009 Ferrari F430 0-60 mph 4.1 Quarter Mile 12.5

source:
0-60 Times | 0 to 60 MPH and Quarter Mile times including Fast Sports Car, Muscle Car, Luxury Car and 2011 Cars 0-60 Times performance stats!

I'd root for either one. Vettes are my second love!

370Z Purist 02-15-2011 12:20 AM

This thread for the most part has gone to hell and I am enjoying every step.

hdskull 02-15-2011 12:54 AM

Best Z I've seen!

2009 Nissan 370Z and 2009 Nissan GT-R - Modified Magazine

dad 02-15-2011 01:28 AM

^When you get over 100mph, the ironing board should take effect!

Skeeterbop 02-15-2011 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by hdskull (Post 941818)

Sounds like a seriously quick car. I wonder what his final price on all that was (including cost of the car)

BrianMSmith 02-15-2011 02:07 PM

The great thing about a box standard 370Z is that it will run reliably to 200k miles with a few oil changes. You can't do that with a F430, cost of ownership for 100k miles will be as much as the purchase price. If you mod the 370Z engine to more than +15% and start drag stripping it, your reliability and life will degrade rapidly, along with the entire drivetrain.

hdskull 02-15-2011 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeeterbop (Post 941930)
Sounds like a seriously quick car. I wonder what his final price on all that was (including cost of the car)

He posted the car for sale at $55k I think.

Link: http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/264...-race-car.html


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