the notion that your life ends when you get married or have kids or w/e is propagated by pussy-whipped husbands and dads who throw out everything and every activity they enjoy because they get married or have a kid and are at the mercy of their wife and kids. It doesn't have to be like that if you just grow a pair of balls. Obviously there is a balance between a healthy relationship with ones family and their own independence, but the idea that that you have to ditch your car or whatever hobbies you have is ridiculous.

it was a joke... i honestly dont care how you or anyone here live their lives. enjoy it the way you want to.

i can tell you though, that having kids is not the end of the world for dads. :tup:

Well then YOU'RE more likely to pick up an STD since you're avoiding monogamous relationships, which are surely the best way to avoid STDs! :tup:

And also, just because marriage/relationships didn't work for your buddies/friends doesn't ipso facto mean that they won't work for you. It's all up to the individuals involved and it takes a LOT of work, but I can assure you that a healthy relationship with a modern American woman *is* actually possible! :)

This.

Why, because she's a black woman?

C'mon, man. I don't think Venus Williams is your average black woman (or average woman period).

I have never seen a single story of her that was negative or revealed any hint of either drug use or "looseness" on the sexual front. I don't have any sort of thing for her in particular, but I was trying to think of someone famous who I would actually feel fairly secure with.

Another one, surprisingly enough, is Shakira, who, despite her total hotness :yum:, has been with the same guy since 2000.

That's the kind of girl you should be looking for... one who has mainly been involved in monogamous relationships. Inevitably the number of sexual partners for these types of girls is the lowest you will find (except for fugly girls, who have the lowest number of partners of all girls!) and thus the best chance you have of avoiding STDs.

Or you could just be a monk, but that doesn't seem like any fun at all! :);)

I take the money that i save by sharing needles with my friends and spend it on condoms.

Well if you were previously spending money on your needles then youredoingitwrong! :p

Needle exchanges, bi**hes! :happydance:

Smart man... :tup:

I avoid pretty much everything and demand bloodwork if I do. Relationships just aren't smart, man. Too many lives I have seen ruined. I'll leave that stuff for you guys who are cool with losing 50% of the stuff you worked for and posting up crap like "My wife won't let me buy a new clutch but I really want one so I'm on this forum whining". I'm glad I caught on at an early age before I was in a position to waste my life on marriage. It's not natural.

She's black, and she's older. Statistically, she is indeed more disease-prone according to all the studies I have read, which are a considerable amount after the damnable community-health course I went through.

The kind of girl I like is the one that had a bad home life and has devoted her future to the porn industry. Way hotter than anyone I know in person and completely safe to admire :tiphat:

That, or someone with bloodwork done who is willing to present it, or who is willing to get bloodwork done and has already had a hysterectomy. Take no chances.

I suppose not, but my dad sure took a hit. Had to sell the plane, harley, etc. I would feel like crap if I was the result of my own decision-making.

the guy that owns the shop that did the alarm install on my 370z has a bunch of corvettes and races and all that.. He was probably in his late 50's. he said that he and his wife chose cars over having children, and as much as he loves cars, he thinks deep down he made the wrong decision.

just some perspective...

I think that liking cars and wanting to buy a lot of 'toys' is no reason not to get married and have kids. I mean, if deep down its someting you really don't want (marriage/children) then thats one thing, but if its because you are scarred that you wont be able to buy yourself as much stuff or have 'freedom' then i think thats silly. you just need to take charge of your relationship from the begining and not become complacent and always say 'OK whatever you want honey.' if you're not confident in your ability to do that then i guess its your loss. Theres such a thing as balance.


Theres plenty of guys on here with wives/kids. Yea, there some that come on to complain about the mod their wife wont let them buy or that they have to sell their car or whatever. But then there are guys like Kenchan and some others who have wives/kids and you don't hear them complaining. I think because they are strong willed people that know what they want and make that a reality. too many guys are too lazy to balance out their lives so they just settle for whatever happens. they know they aren't capable of having a woman/family AND their hobbies so they say either 'alright forget cars/hobbies/sports/etc i have a family.... or they say 'alright forget women and family, i want cars/hobbies/sports etc.

everyone's perspective is based on their experiences. But yours are obviously totally biased(and rightfully so). obviosuly there are gold digging b1tchy women out there that will take half your stuff etc. But honestly, your view of marriage/women is just as biased as a girl who has 'daddy issues' and doesn't trust any man because her dad cheated on her mom. however, your opinion is biased nonetheless.

Of course it's biased. Any personal opinion is biased by definition. It still won't steer me wrong. You know how many married women have hit on me? You know how many married women at work come to me with their marital issues like I am some guru that can solve it just because I pick up on that something is wrong wiht them that night? There is WAY too much trouble that goes hand in hand with marriage. That never-ending circle of love thing you slip on your hand is more like a snake eating its own tail.

The only real reason to get married is if you want kids (and I don't), so that you can provide a balanced growth-period for that child. Humans have very long developmental stages and need that kind of stability/variety in their home environment as they mature. Other than that, why mess with marriage? If you like someone, move in and share bills and when its over, move out. If you life in a commonlaw state like mine, make sure you don't go over the deadline without a break in between or you may get screwed just the same.

The only reason Kenchan doesn't bitch is I bet he makes 6-figures well before october. Money changes everything.

but wouldn't his evil bloodsucking wife just steal all his money than:stirthepot::p

kids and marriage aren't for everyone. but i'm just saying the reason why shouldn't be b/c your dad married a witch who took half his money when they got divorced.

i can't speak for why your dad did that but i sure have not lost out on anything other than time (and sleep). :D

Who knows? I'm not Kenchan, I just bet he's making 6 figures if he's married and content.

Women aren't evil, per se, just relationships. A relationship isn't a good idea unless you have $$ to burn.

why do you assume that women don't make any money? another stereotype based on pussy whipped men who accept that their wife should go around shopping all day while they go to work. doesn't have to be that way.

my mom hasn't worked since i was born. Does that mean i think i shouldn't get married because i wouldn't want a wife who would do the same? no it means i' have learned from my experience, and came to the conclusion that when i get married, i want my wife to work.

Wait until the kid gets old enough to drive and then wrecks it! An acquaintance of mine's son smashed up his car coming around a curve. Father got it fixed and kid proceeded to smash it up again RIGHT IN THE VERY SAME CURVE!!

Another time I was parked at a light and heard a screeching of brakes. The car behind me was hit by the car behind him.. I was untouched but the poor bastard behind me took it in the rear.. He got out of his car and looked at the damage and put his hands to his head and said OH NO!! In the window of his car ..a brand new Lexus.. was the sticker information!!.. he was just bringing it home!

and that is why we have high insurance premiums if we are under 25.

Where did I say they don't make money? I never said that. Nor did I imply it.

The conclusion is that they want to buy a bunch of **** that I don't. It would be unfair to ask them to pay for all of it since I would get utility from it--even if I don't want to own it enough to buy it myself. I would get dragged into paying for a bunch of crap I don't want.

you mean like... home decor? and serving platters that one will never use?

my mom comes and buys 'stuff for the house' that is supposedly for 'the house' but no one cares about it except her.

mom: 'look at this nice bowl i bought!'
dad: :ugh:

Amen Jeff.. my brother in laws kid bought a muscle car..forget which one..many years ago without checking insurance rates.. He had numerous accidents and speeding tickets.. insurance co wanted $12,000 per year!! He sold the car right after that ..and that was about fifteen years ago when a dollar bought more than it does today..

damn that is insane. yea if you buy a used sports car for cheap, like 10+ years old, you probably end up paying for the value of the car every 3 years in premiums.

That, and large expensive beds (can be up to $5K ), and things of that nature.

I live very simply. I rarely go out except to pump iron or shoot or shop.

I am a simple person and don't want that complicated.

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Between the over the top kidders and the people who are taking all this way too seriously ... this thread delivers serious entertainment value.

I like to stay in practice.

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(XM193 semi-rapid fire, about all that ammo is good for is 1MOA regardless of the platform or shooter. Give me some decent ammo and a scoped AR like the COLT CAR A3/Leu VXIII I was using for this group, and some decent ammo, and I am usually a reliable .75-1MOA shooter off of a bipod from seated or prone.)

agreed. /\ I hope the OP is studying the gems of wisdom contained herein and taking notes. (notes to self: pull out next time, if using a condom, raping sheep is okay, abortion can be free if you're a cheapskate, some men are pu$$y whipped and their lives end when they get married, some men don't marry and are happy, some men don't marry and are sad, Importconvert is a good shot, black women have STD's...even Venus Williams, Shakira is not a ho, I'm sure I'm missing a couple....:happydance:

Ah, no, I refuse to be labled there. I said that black women in America are statistically more likely to have an STD based on every study I am familar with.

Remember, children are like farts, you don't mind your own, but everyone else's are horrible. Just because you don't like everyone else's kids, doesn't mean you would not love to be a parent yourself, but it's a very bold step to take, it's the biggest decision and commitment you will ever make in your life.

Once you have a family, it is very hard to strike a balance between being an individual, and your role as parent and spouse. There is often not enough resources of time, energy, and money for both, and the family has to come first. When both spouses make an effort to put the other's critical needs ahead of their own secondary needs, it works. Many families today are having kids in their 30's which is a major help, you have 10 years to save money, raise your income, and enjoy some independance before the family.

I am 40, 3 kids, career up the arse, besides an hour of exercise a day, I get about 1 hour a day to "myself" to read at the most, otherwise I spend all my time on work, kid's stuff or with the wife - which can also be relaxing and fun. Frankly, I'd be bored off my arse if I didn't have a family. Bored with taking vacations, going skiing, riding the motorcycle, bored with watching too much tv, bored with riding my bike, etc.

Financially, I count myself lucky to have a solid retirement saving started, college savings, a pension, and can still afford a Z after buying the family SUV, vacations, private school, etc. The best way to a happy life is an outstanding education, put in 20 years of ball busting hard work, get married, have kids, and stay married. It aint easy, but that's the way to have it all.

With no SO and no kids and just a career, I really enjoy my life so much more than my married co-workers I think. All they do is whine about things they have to do or cannot do because of their familes.

I know dude, it was a joke. I'm actually familiar w/the stats you were referring to, and blacks do have a far higher probability of carrying an std than any other population.

I've actually been married once before and it ended in divorce. She didn't take anything from me and we split amicably (still friends, as a matter of fact). You have a very biased and cynical view of the world and relationships. That will get you to the middle of no and where in life.

No man is an island and everyone needs love. I would advise you to reconsider your outlook and realize that just because Tom, **** and Harry all had bad marriages does not mean that you too will have a bad marriage. You are in charge of your own destiny. You make your own future. Maybe you're the rare kind of person that is happy being a hermit, but I doubt that. A hermit would never post on a public forum on the Internet.

Give love a chance, son. It will surprise you and reward you in ways you can't even imagine.

Now this ends our public service announcement for the evening. :tiphat:

I'm a very realistic person. Some people walk around thinking they are perfect and anything they do will somehow turn out crapping puppies and rainbows while everyone else meets with failure. I'm not that person. I am just as, apt to meet with a failure or success as the next person. Most people's marriages suck or suck until they fall apart. I don't want any part.

The whole ego-centric "It won't happen to me, mine will be fine" attitude is a big problem in this country. I wish less people thought that way. I'm not saying you should go suck a .45, I'm just saying that you aren't special. You aren't magical. You aren't any better than anyone else when it comes to the odds life has.

Also, yes, when I have to, I am very good with people. I was successful as a waiter in college, and in auto, telephone, and appliance sales before that. I know how to tell people just what they want to hear and ask them just what they want to be asked. Do I do that on here? Not often. I am tired of it by the end of work and quite frankly, it is so tiresome to "blend". Once I had a teacher ask me if I had some disorder. I didn't have the heart to tell her I just didn't give a damn about fitting in with all the margarita hoovering girls in my class and ticked them off on purpse so they would stop inviting me out, so I fabricated some story or another. She left me alone after that and I graduated and haven't spoken to them since. People just really wear me out for the most part and I don't want to stroke ego's and pat them on my time off. Which, as you might have guessed, is tonight :)

We have 1 kid, and trying for another. I have my Z, and a daily driver civic along with our Odyssey. No need to get rid of the sports car. True, I may only drive it at nights or on weekends, but so what... I need the ability to unwind and enjoy some things on my own. To the OP, keep the Z.

You're having one kid and you need a 5 passenger vehicle?

I have 5 freakin kids and still own a Z.

It's not his kid he needs it for, it's his woman. She's gone into that nutty "nesting" mode they get into. Seen it plenty.