Posters selling their Z for a GT

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2010, 11:31 AM

BTW, one good thing the Z has going for it is it's gas mileage. I could average 20 mpg with a 332+ hp daily driver and pull around 30 on the highway.

With the Mustang, I average 16-17 mpg and with the 3.73 gear I might get 25 on the highway. It doesn't matter if it's just a fun weekend car, but if you drive it every day it kind of gets on your nerves. It also sucks that I only have a 16 gallon tank as opposed to 19 in the Z. An extra 3 gallons would have been nice for extended range.

On our caravan down to ZDayZ we are going to have to make one more stop than last year because some jerk can't make it all the way on two stops.

wolf370z · 12-06-2010, 04:15 PM

If they had priced the 5.0's the way they did with the base GT in 2005 (~$25k range) then I would be driving one right now. Not trying to sound condescending or a mustang hater but comparing the base 370z (which I got mine at $28k before the car I was trading in) to the base mustang GT is literally NIGHT AND DAY. I was extremely unhappy with the interior of the base mustang GT and especially unhappy with the price ($31k+). So even after dealer markup and all things considered with the 370z it was literally $20k out of pocket for me ($9500 trade-in with my '04 Mini Cooper S).

So not including trade-in my base 370z was $29.5k. I couldn't find a single '11 Mustang GT that was under $31k BEFORE tax, dealer crap, etc. My '09 370z is appraised at about $26k at 9k miles. Take that into consideration with ~$33k from a Mustang GT after all the additional fees, and I had like $1750 cash in rebates, etc, it's still $26,000 vs $31,250. I honestly cannot justify trading in my fun little red sports car PLUS $5k in cash for a Mustang GT. Sorry Ford, but your silly pricing has lost you a customer.

m4a1mustang · 12-06-2010, 04:20 PM

I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium steering wheel and leather console.

With the base Mustang you lose the premium steering wheel and dash treatment and it is really very basic. I'd only buy one if I was planing on tearing it down and building a track machine or I had very specific plans for a street machine that would involve tearing all the premium features out anyways.

That's too bad about the pricing, though. I was able to score mine a little under invoice.

Red370 · 12-06-2010, 04:48 PM

I, like my friend M4, loved my Z. But like him as well, was missing the low end grunt, my Z, even with full bolt ons, had ZERO torque. I wanted a car that had some growl to it, something that would throw me back in my seat when I mash the pedal, and a car capable of 11's with a set of sticky tires. And that my friends, is the 5.0, think about it, Supercar times in a car that costs less than 35k, you cant beat that.

From this:

to this:

and yes, the engine bay is dusty, it just made a dyno pass, sue me

Zsteve · 12-06-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I, like my friend M4, loved my Z. But like him as well, was missing the low end grunt, my Z, even with full bolt ons, had ZERO torque. I wanted a car that had some growl to it, something that would throw me back in my seat when I mash the pedal, and a car capable of 11's with a set of sticky tires. And that my friends, is the 5.0, think about it, Supercar times in a car that costs less than 35k, you cant beat that.

From this:

to this:

and yes, the engine bay is dusty, it just made a dyno pass, sue me

Red you got silver like my new vette. Ill have to get some pics on here soon. Im really likin the power like you said; 430 hp and 425 tq is way more fun than the Z TQ. Headers and full exhaust and tune and I should see 60 more whp, getting me somewhere around 450 - 460 rwhp.

My silver is faster. lol.

wolf370z · 12-06-2010, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium steering wheel and leather console.

With the base Mustang you lose the premium steering wheel and dash treatment and it is really very basic. I'd only buy one if I was planing on tearing it down and building a track machine or I had very specific plans for a street machine that would involve tearing all the premium features out anyways.

That's too bad about the pricing, though. I was able to score mine a little under invoice.

Yes, base vs base the 370z would have to win hands down in terms of fit, finish, quality, feel (interior), etc. However, I think a premium Mustang GT is a good comparison vs the base 370z but at that point you're looking at a $34k mustang vs a $28k 370z. I just cannot justify the price difference, which is pretty upsetting.

In fact, the price reminds me of the Viper ACR vs Corvette ZR1 debate. Everyone and their mother tried to tell me how much better the ZR1 would be because it was identical in price, made a little more hp, and was supercharged and was an LS9 and was pretty much awesome. I just laughed and said the ACR was the much better deal for a performance car. They literally laughed at me in the face. Now they're not laughing because I've seen a brand new ACR sell for $92k and the ZR1's are going for $125k on a CHEAP day. There's no way Chevy could ever justify that price difference.

Yes, Ford got a bit greedy in my opinion, they're already the most successful American car company, why not make them a bit more affordable? Which is kind of funny because I've only seen a total 3-4 5.0's in my area which is actually the exact same number of 370z's in my area (including my own car). The ones I see that are a dime a dozen are the older S197 ('05-'09). But I've still seen my fair share of 2010 GT's (because they're going so dirt cheap right now thanks to the 5.0).

'10Anamoly · 12-06-2010, 05:16 PM

Give it time. When magazines list the car as the godsend of performance, all kinds of dweebs will come to buy, guaranteed.

Yes the mustang is fast, no, its not that fast, nor are our cars. Fast is relative and if you think your mustang is a street monster any more than our cars, lol at you.

Pick what you like, buy the car, enjoy it and call it a day, I like Z's.

Educ8r · 12-06-2010, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by '10Anamoly

Yes the mustang is fast, no, its not that fast.

LOL... mine sure is!

m4a1mustang · 12-07-2010, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolf370z

Yes, base vs base the 370z would have to win hands down in terms of fit, finish, quality, feel (interior), etc. However, I think a premium Mustang GT is a good comparison vs the base 370z but at that point you're looking at a $34k mustang vs a $28k 370z. I just cannot justify the price difference, which is pretty upsetting.

And there's where I disagree. You can't compare the two trim levels because you get so much more out of the premium Mustang than you would the base Z. Leather, heated seats, bluetooth, premium sound, Sync, etc.

You can get the Mustang equivalent of a "Touring" 370Z starting around 30k invoice.

I think the car is priced pretty competitively. Compared to my 370Z, I paid about $2k less and get a lot more in terms of options and creature comforts. It's gobs cheaper than the Challenger and Camaro which is what really matters, and it compares nicely price-wise to cars outside of it's class. All I know is you know Ford has done something right when the people buying the car are coming from every direction... from Camaros to 370Zs to BMW M's... It's a good car.

Nissan did the same thing with the Z. How many former BMW and Porsche owners do we have here? That says a lot for the car, IMO.

GZ3 · 12-07-2010, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And there's where I disagree. You can't compare the two trim levels because you get so much more out of the premium Mustang than you would the base Z. Leather, heated seats, bluetooth, premium sound, Sync, etc.

You can get the Mustang equivalent of a "Touring" 370Z starting around 30k invoice.

I think the car is priced pretty competitively. Compared to my 370Z, I paid about $2k less and get a lot more in terms of options and creature comforts. It's gobs cheaper than the Challenger and Camaro which is what really matters, and it compares nicely price-wise to cars outside of it's class. All I know is you know Ford has done something right when the people buying the car are coming from every direction... from Camaros to 370Zs to BMW M's... It's a good car.

Nissan did the same thing with the Z. How many former BMW and Porsche owners do we have here? That says a lot for the car, IMO.

i agree with this fully!

wolf370z · 12-07-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

And there's where I disagree. You can't compare the two trim levels because you get so much more out of the premium Mustang than you would the base Z. Leather, heated seats, bluetooth, premium sound, Sync, etc.

You can get the Mustang equivalent of a "Touring" 370Z starting around 30k invoice.

I think the car is priced pretty competitively. Compared to my 370Z, I paid about $2k less and get a lot more in terms of options and creature comforts. It's gobs cheaper than the Challenger and Camaro which is what really matters, and it compares nicely price-wise to cars outside of it's class. All I know is you know Ford has done something right when the people buying the car are coming from every direction... from Camaros to 370Zs to BMW M's... It's a good car.

Nissan did the same thing with the Z. How many former BMW and Porsche owners do we have here? That says a lot for the car, IMO.

I just wanted to note I wasn't talking about the available options when comparing the two trim levels. I was merely commenting on how nice the interior looked/felt, not that the base 370z had X option over another. Sorry for the confusion!!

Well I'm glad to hear that you got such a great deal on your 5.0!

In terms of 5.0 vs 370z... just give it up guys. I cannot imagine a 12.4x run trapping ~112 in a stock 5.0 will be repeated too many times (mainly because no one ever keeps mustang's stock lol) but still proves that a full bolt-on, geared, street-tired 370z is a tenth of a second ahead. All you need like m4a1 so smartly put was that with an intake and tune the 5.0 makes significant improvement.

And I cannot lie, a $32k car with supercar-like acceleration is a force to be reckoned with.... even more so once you start thinking about that dealer installed supercharger option /drool

12-06-2010, 11:31 AM	#1 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	BTW, one good thing the Z has going for it is it's gas mileage. I could average 20 mpg with a 332+ hp daily driver and pull around 30 on the highway. With the Mustang, I average 16-17 mpg and with the 3.73 gear I might get 25 on the highway. It doesn't matter if it's just a fun weekend car, but if you drive it every day it kind of gets on your nerves. It also sucks that I only have a 16 gallon tank as opposed to 19 in the Z. An extra 3 gallons would have been nice for extended range. On our caravan down to ZDayZ we are going to have to make one more stop than last year because some jerk can't make it all the way on two stops. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-06-2010, 04:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
wolf370z Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States Posts: 230 Drives: 09 370z red m6 Rep Power: 17	If they had priced the 5.0's the way they did with the base GT in 2005 (~$25k range) then I would be driving one right now. Not trying to sound condescending or a mustang hater but comparing the base 370z (which I got mine at $28k before the car I was trading in) to the base mustang GT is literally NIGHT AND DAY. I was extremely unhappy with the interior of the base mustang GT and especially unhappy with the price ($31k+). So even after dealer markup and all things considered with the 370z it was literally $20k out of pocket for me ($9500 trade-in with my '04 Mini Cooper S). So not including trade-in my base 370z was $29.5k. I couldn't find a single '11 Mustang GT that was under $31k BEFORE tax, dealer crap, etc. My '09 370z is appraised at about $26k at 9k miles. Take that into consideration with ~$33k from a Mustang GT after all the additional fees, and I had like $1750 cash in rebates, etc, it's still $26,000 vs $31,250. I honestly cannot justify trading in my fun little red sports car PLUS $5k in cash for a Mustang GT. Sorry Ford, but your silly pricing has lost you a customer. __________________ Good drivers just drive.

12-06-2010, 04:20 PM	#3 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6964	I agree with you regarding the base vs. base comparison. The base Z has much nicer cloth seats (not mouse-fur like most manufacturers use) and you still get the premium steering wheel and leather console. With the base Mustang you lose the premium steering wheel and dash treatment and it is really very basic. I'd only buy one if I was planing on tearing it down and building a track machine or I had very specific plans for a street machine that would involve tearing all the premium features out anyways. That's too bad about the pricing, though. I was able to score mine a little under invoice. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-06-2010, 04:48 PM	#4 (permalink)
Red370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Kaiserslautern, Germany Posts: 4,391 Drives: your mom to church Rep Power: 298	I, like my friend M4, loved my Z. But like him as well, was missing the low end grunt, my Z, even with full bolt ons, had ZERO torque. I wanted a car that had some growl to it, something that would throw me back in my seat when I mash the pedal, and a car capable of 11's with a set of sticky tires. And that my friends, is the 5.0, think about it, Supercar times in a car that costs less than 35k, you cant beat that. From this: to this: and yes, the engine bay is dusty, it just made a dyno pass, sue me __________________ 2011 Mustang 5.0 \| 3.55's \| Lethal Performance off road H-Pipe \| Magnaflow Muffler Delete \| JLT CAI/Bama tuned 417whp/ 404 ft/lbs

12-06-2010, 05:16 PM	#7 (permalink)
'10Anamoly Track Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: GA Posts: 882 Drives: 2010 370Z BS M6 Rep Power: 18	Give it time. When magazines list the car as the godsend of performance, all kinds of dweebs will come to buy, guaranteed. Yes the mustang is fast, no, its not that fast, nor are our cars. Fast is relative and if you think your mustang is a street monster any more than our cars, lol at you. Pick what you like, buy the car, enjoy it and call it a day, I like Z's. __________________ 2013 Ford Mustang GT 374rwhp, 360rwtq SAE / GT500 Axle-Backs / Brembo Pack / Track Pack / Recaros / 6spd

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