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ProfessorDave 12-02-2010 08:10 AM

Found some new things to complain about
 
So this was the first cold morning (temps in the 20's) that I drove the Z. I noticed the following, that I had not had the opportunity to notice before:

The windows freeze. Hard. Even the drop down function would not work until the car had been in the sun for awhile. I was afraid I'd shatter the window every time I closed the door.

There were so many creaks and rattles I thought there was a ghost in the car (I imagined it was Leslie Nielsen playing with his whoopie cushion:ugh2:). I mean A LOT of creaks and rattles. More than any other car I've driven.

When wearing gloves, my attempts to turn up the volume using the steering mounted controls (to drown out the noise Mr. Nielsen's ghost was making), I activated the phone controls. Several times. Why didn't Nissan make the track advance button the volume control?!?:eekdance:

Not surprisingly, the summer tires acted like ice skates (this problem will be solved - Hankook Ventus performance all-seasons going on tomorrow for the winter :happydance:)

Anyone else have issues come up when the cold weather hits? (and if you guys in AZ, SoCal, TX, FL etc. tell me it never gets cold there I'm going to have a nervous breakdown!:eek:)

AllForTheCash 12-02-2010 08:50 AM

+1 on the Interior Noise when everything is cold as ice.

xiven 12-02-2010 08:59 AM

drove around when it was in the teens for weeks. never had a problem. even drove on the icy roads with my summer tires. still no problem.

kenchan 12-02-2010 09:13 AM

Professordave- I thought you had a maz3 for winter days?

SoCal 370Z 12-02-2010 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 832130)
There were so many creaks and rattles I thought there was a ghost in the car (I imagined it was Leslie Nielsen playing with his whoopie cushion:ugh2:). I mean A LOT of creaks and rattles. More than any other car I've driven.

Huh? The 370Z is based upon a very solid chassis. Have you checked you spare tire area to determine whether things are battened down properly? Zero creaks on our 370Z. Zero rattles.

antman22 12-02-2010 09:20 AM

In TX it does indeed get cold, just not as extreme as the folks up north. It'll get down to the teens and single digits at times, but we won't get the crazy -20 or -30*. I can't relate to the window issue, my Z gets garaged.

The tires will basically turn into hockey pucks during the winter, I basically use it as an excuse to keep me in check. I don't think its as bad as some say, but I definitely wouldn't be doing any spirited driving on the stock bridgestones in cold weather.

on the bright side, the heater works great in conjunction with the engine heat that people complain about during the summer :)

m4a1mustang 12-02-2010 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 832167)
Huh? The 370Z is based upon a very solid chassis. Have you checked you spare tire area to determine whether things are battened down properly? Zero creaks on our 370Z. Zero rattles.

Some are quiet, others are squeak/rattle monsters. My Z was one of the latter. It squeaked and rattled over every little bump.

m4a1mustang 12-02-2010 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by antman22 (Post 832171)
In TX it does indeed get cold, just not as extreme as the folks up north. It'll get down to the teens and single digits at times, but we won't get the crazy -20 or -30*. I can't relate to the window issue, my Z gets garaged.

The tires will basically turn into hockey pucks during the winter, I basically use it as an excuse to keep me in check. I don't think its as bad as some say, but I definitely wouldn't be doing any spirited driving on the stock bridgestones in cold weather.

on the bright side, the heater works great in conjunction with the engine heat that people complain about during the summer :)

A cold summer tire in sub 40 degree weather is EXTREMELY dangerous if you aren't careful. They take about 15 minutes of normal driving to get warmed up and then you are going to be OK, but when they're cold you have very little traction at all. I always make sure I leave a longer following distance because an emergency stop on cold summer tires in winter = :owned:.

SoCal 370Z 12-02-2010 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 832184)
Some are quiet, others are squeak/rattle monsters. My Z was one of the latter. It squeaked and rattled over every little bump.

Our 370Z was one of the first 2009's on the Nissan showrooms so maybe they built them better for the first allotment? We just now have encountered the rear hatch sticking.

m4a1mustang 12-02-2010 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 832205)
Our 370Z was one of the first 2009's on the Nissan showrooms so maybe they built them better for the first allotment? We just now have encountered the rear hatch sticking.

It's just a luck of the draw thing I guess. Some of the cars are fine while others are riddled with rattles and squeaks. I had a couple in the hatch, the passenger door, and the roofliner, as well as one somewhere in the dash behind the cubby.

Mt Tam I am 12-02-2010 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoCal 370Z (Post 832205)
Our 370Z was one of the first 2009's on the Nissan showrooms so maybe they built them better for the first allotment? We just now have encountered the rear hatch sticking.

In the cold weather currently here in Northern California, mid 40's (not 20 degrees) in the daytime and mid 30's at night. My rear hatch now sticks every time so I press the release twice before trying to lift the hatch. Car build date 1/09.

The Icy warning light went off for the first time the other night. Because of this I turned the VDC on. But I have not noticed the tires losing their grip. I will be more aware though.

christian370z 12-02-2010 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 832218)
as well as one somewhere in the dash behind the cubby.

I just got this one recently, it sounds like something is loose enough to rattle and buzz with certain resonance from the exhaust.

kenchan 12-02-2010 10:21 AM

last weekend i motored my Z. it was 28F and no issue. no rattles no window sticking (well she's garaged. :p) and drove like usual.

m4a1mustang 12-02-2010 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by christian370z (Post 832252)
I just got this one recently, it sounds like something is loose enough to rattle and buzz with certain resonance from the exhaust.

The good thing is it's really easy to pop the center console out so you can look around and see if anything is loose.

Endgame 12-02-2010 11:10 AM

Well, I had my Z out in the 33 degree weather in PHX (no laughing, that is cold for us) and I had no creeks/rattles, etc.

the_student 12-02-2010 11:45 AM

I definitely have more creaks rattles when its cold like in the 40s. But my car is parked outside.

I think if it is garaged, it shouldnt make a difference.

doubleG370Z 12-02-2010 11:59 AM

right now it's 3 celsius with icy warning & no problems as mentioned above.

Liquid_G 12-02-2010 11:59 AM

Seriously? lets review..

the windows froze because it was cold.. this happens on alot of cars in cold weather

creaking noises because its cold... this happens on alot of cars in cold weather.

summer tires in cold weather are not as grippy.. this happens on alot of cars with summer tires in cold weather.

see a pattern here?

And for the issue with your gloves.. umm.. take them off?

Not trying to be an *** but these are common things.

ImportConvert 12-02-2010 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Liquid_G (Post 832440)
Seriously? lets review..

the windows froze because it was cold.. this happens on alot of cars in cold weather

creaking noises because its cold... this happens on alot of cars in cold weather.

summer tires in cold weather are not as grippy.. this happens on alot of cars with summer tires in cold weather.

see a pattern here?

And for the issue with your gloves.. umm.. take them off?

Not trying to be an *** but these are common things.

+1

Cars creak when they are cold because all that nicely fitted interior was fitted when it was 70* or so. Not when it was 20*. Plastic expands/contracts wither temperature changes. It's physics. You fit something perfect when it's 20* and it is going to crack or creak like crazy or the vents will pop out and everything else will buldge/bend when it hits 120* in the summer in your parked car.

Normal.

This is like complaining that you have a dash-light on when you have a nearly empty gas-tank.

spearfish25 12-02-2010 12:37 PM

I get cold when it's cold. God really messed me up. :)

ProfessorDave 12-02-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 832164)
Professordave- I thought you had a maz3 for winter days?

Yeah, I could have taken the MZ3 out, but the Z sat all day yesterday and the forecast was for temps in the upper 30's today (warm enough for my Z!).

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid_G (Post 832440)
Seriously? lets review..

the windows froze because it was cold.. this happens on alot of cars in cold weather
creaking noises because its cold... this happens on alot of cars in cold weather.
summer tires in cold weather are not as grippy.. this happens on alot of cars with summer tires in cold weather.
see a pattern here?
And for the issue with your gloves.. umm.. take them off?
Not trying to be an *** but these are common things.

Liquid G, I didn't take your comment to be an ***. I should explain a couple of things so I don't sound like a whiner:
The windows were completely frozen at 28 degrees to the point where the drop down feature wouldn't work. I noticed the first time I got the car that the windows go down dry and come up wet (TWSS...anyone?!?) after it rains, sometimes long after it rains. I posted about it and got affirmative replies from many other forum members. Gotta be moisture in the panel, causing the exceptionally powerful freeze.

The creaks were so loud I thought I lost my bumper. I pulled over to look (seriously). I've never experienced that before in ANY of the 15 cars I've owned since 1981.

You'll notice that I already had the tire issue addressed. Tirerack delivered my all seasons to my installer earlier this week:tup:

The audio controls on the steering wheel bugged me from day 1. I go for the volume more than any other function, so I always wished that control was easier to locate.

Anyway, none of this would make me want to get rid of the Z. Just biotching on a Thursday the feels like a Monday.

wilsonp 12-02-2010 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 832740)
Yeah, I could have taken the MZ3 out, but the Z sat all day yesterday and the forecast was for temps in the upper 30's today (warm enough for my Z!).

The audio controls on the steering wheel bugged me from day 1. I go for the volume more than any other function, so I always wished that control was easier to locate.

We haven't had below freezing yet, but I had none of those issues driving through snow in the NSX. Or my Eclipse GT. Or my MR-2. But they didn't have heated seats...

I've restarted the current track a few times going around corners with gloves on (but I use them all the time - better grip, cleaner steering wheel) plus we don't have a heated steering wheel :(

And I can't hit the volume up/down on the steering wheel with gloves, barely find it useable without them. Definitely a design mistake there.

I don't have a problem using the volume knob though - if you're driving a 6MT, I'd think you're right hand would be hovering around there anyway... makes me thing of the stereo remote I had in my MR-2, like I couldn't reach three inches :D

sonic370 12-02-2010 07:46 PM

no problems so far car is still solid after 13,000...

love the cold snaps we sometimes get here in texas, it adds 15hp
car feels faster like a race horse being held back........

PapoZalsa 12-02-2010 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid_G (Post 832440)
Seriously? lets review..

the windows froze because it was cold.. this happens on alot of cars in cold weather

creaking noises because its cold... this happens on alot of cars in cold weather.

summer tires in cold weather are not as grippy.. this happens on alot of cars with summer tires in cold weather.

see a pattern here?

And for the issue with your gloves.. umm.. take them off?

Not trying to be an *** but these are common things.

Seriously?

If you are driving in the Z with temperatures below 25ºF with Summer tires you have a Death Wish!

TypeOne 12-02-2010 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 832130)
So this was the first cold morning (temps in the 20's) that I drove the Z. I noticed the following, that I had not had the opportunity to notice before:

The windows freeze. Hard. Even the drop down function would not work until the car had been in the sun for awhile. I was afraid I'd shatter the window every time I closed the door.

There were so many creaks and rattles I thought there was a ghost in the car (I imagined it was Leslie Nielsen playing with his whoopie cushion:ugh2:). I mean A LOT of creaks and rattles. More than any other car I've driven.

When wearing gloves, my attempts to turn up the volume using the steering mounted controls (to drown out the noise Mr. Nielsen's ghost was making), I activated the phone controls. Several times. Why didn't Nissan make the track advance button the volume control?!?:eekdance:

Not surprisingly, the summer tires acted like ice skates (this problem will be solved - Hankook Ventus performance all-seasons going on tomorrow for the winter :happydance:)

Anyone else have issues come up when the cold weather hits? (and if you guys in AZ, SoCal, TX, FL etc. tell me it never gets cold there I'm going to have a nervous breakdown!:eek:)


Dead on in every aspect IMO. I noticed the same things the other morning when it was about 28*f here. It's hardly ever cold down here but ice is ice, and it does happen.

ProfessorDave 12-03-2010 08:27 AM

All season tires going on as I post this. One problem solved!

EazyD 12-03-2010 09:35 AM

I dunno, I took potenza tires through an off-ramp at 40 when it was 28 this morning and no slippy light went on. Just don't treat the roads like a track and I was OK going slowly. Will probably take the Jeep to work from now on as it looks like rain/ice/snow coming this weekend. No creaks... road noise is probably higher because the tires are harder?

Nismoracer 12-04-2010 01:21 AM

My only complaint is that I can't turn off the horn beep with the light flash on my Nismo. I don't have the Nav to enable me to do this. If I turn off the horn beep my lights don't flash. I wanna be able to just turn the horn off with my lights flashing, is that too much to ask for. lol

wilsonp 12-04-2010 01:39 PM

I think the dealer can change some settings for you.

crash1369 12-04-2010 02:43 PM

I had started a thread about my windows freezing a couple weeks ago, I recently noticed the seal along the bottom was not even touching the glass but got no answer if any one else's car was the same. Sounds like yours is, Every time it was cold enough for water to freeze my windows were stuck. After I noticed the seal I opened the windows and tried to bend it down with my finger so the inner out outer seals overlap. My window was not frozen yesterday (26 degrees I think) but it's to early to say if that really did anything or not. Obviously it also seems like a temporary fix but we'll see, I also sprayed some frost preventive stuff on it to so that is probably a factor. My windows are also wet if I put them down/ back up.

As far as noises I haven't noticed any and I have a roadster so I would expect it to be worse.

RCZ 12-04-2010 03:03 PM

I pray for problems like you guys are having in Florida. I think it was 70s all winter last year. I want cold, makes car faster!

nicknick 12-05-2010 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Liquid_G (Post 832440)
Seriously? lets review..

the windows froze because it was cold.. this happens on alot of cars in cold weather

creaking noises because its cold... this happens on alot of cars in cold weather.

summer tires in cold weather are not as grippy.. this happens on alot of cars with summer tires in cold weather.

see a pattern here?

And for the issue with your gloves.. umm.. take them off?

Not trying to be an *** but these are common things.

Agree!

LMBmikeZ 12-05-2010 09:04 PM

Dont you guys in PA get a solid winter with a decent amount of snow/winter conditons? Like in NY state type winters? Cause that's how we get it here where I live, I could never imagine driving the Z in the freezing conditions it has been lately.

m4a1mustang 12-05-2010 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LMBmikeZ (Post 838183)
Dont you guys in PA get a solid winter with a decent amount of snow/winter conditons? Like in NY state type winters? Cause that's how we get it here where I live, I could never imagine driving the Z in the freezing conditions it has been lately.

As long as there's no snow or ice on the roads and the tires are working right it's great. :tup:

PapoZalsa 12-05-2010 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 836456)
I pray for problems like you guys are having in Florida. I think it was 70s all winter last year. I want cold, makes car faster!

70ºF to me me is the best weather that you can ask for...

DIGItonium 12-06-2010 12:22 AM

The interior is creaking a little bit, but only because of the sub or the exhaust.

Getting into various gears like 1st and R is a bit more notchy than usual. It takes a few tries to get in gear. It's nothing new, but at least it's not grinding... yet.

LunaZ 12-06-2010 08:06 AM

+1 on the tiny, less than intuitively placed steering wheel volume control button.

zcar_dad 12-06-2010 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 838284)
As long as there's no snow or ice on the roads and the tires are working right it's great. :tup:

What about all of the salt they put on the roads to melt ice and snow (at least here in Missouri)? Cannot be good on the underside of the Z.

Mine will stay in the garage until temps are above 35 and crap on the roads.

ProfessorDave 12-06-2010 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crash1369 (Post 836438)
I had started a thread about my windows freezing a couple weeks ago, I recently noticed the seal along the bottom was not even touching the glass but got no answer if any one else's car was the same. Sounds like yours is, Every time it was cold enough for water to freeze my windows were stuck. After I noticed the seal I opened the windows and tried to bend it down with my finger so the inner out outer seals overlap. My window was not frozen yesterday (26 degrees I think) but it's to early to say if that really did anything or not. Obviously it also seems like a temporary fix but we'll see, I also sprayed some frost preventive stuff on it to so that is probably a factor. My windows are also wet if I put them down/ back up.

As far as noises I haven't noticed any and I have a roadster so I would expect it to be worse.

I will try bending my seals, too. Thanks for the tip and sorry I missed your thread about the windows issue!

m4a1mustang 12-06-2010 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zcar_dad (Post 838736)
What about all of the salt they put on the roads to melt ice and snow (at least here in Missouri)? Cannot be good on the underside of the Z.

Mine will stay in the garage until temps are above 35 and crap on the roads.

It's not great for the car, but cars are A LOT more resistant to corrosion than they used to be. It's still a good idea to try to clean the undercarriage regularly throughout winter, though. Most of those brushless carwashes will have an undercarriage sprayer that will help knock away chucks of road salt and such.


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