Considering buying 370z.

chuckd05 · 11-10-2010, 12:55 PM

Import, Ive read over all your threads, some redundant and all they do is pick apart the apparent " flaws " of this car that a few forum members post about. You stir the pot and act like you know about the car.

Your trans am is also a disgusting car IMO and I wouldn't take it for free. The fact the clutch felt better to you is prob because it was YOUR car and its what YOU are used to, just like we like the 370z stuff.

IMO you come on here acting like a know it all and I really never get like this but you and your threads/posts just rub me the wrong way. Its amazing that you consider this car at all because almost every thread and post you make you put ur trans am on a pedestal and act like its better than the Z ...

I will guarantee put a pro driver in the 370 and in your trans am and the Z will absolutely demolish the trans am around a road coarse ... Of coarse if you throw cams + bolt ons to a big v8 it will make power but with that power do you get anything else ?

On another note my car has a intakes, test pipes , exhaust , a tune, OIL COOLER , springs, etc and my car was just in for warranty work and they actually complimented me for getting an oil cooler. Nissan is well aware the motor runs hot and will not void your warranty for it. If you blow a hose off your cooler, leak all your oil and continue to beat the piss out of you car, yea it can get voided, IF they know that happened. Thats about it.

The Z will also beat every single SRT 8 out in the 1/4 stock IF driven correctly and be right there with SS's and GT's. And lets not forget the Z came out first BEFORE the 5.0, it laughs at 09 GT's by a significant margain in every aspect imaginable. Some test only show the 5.0 13.1-13.0 but I do agree they are faster/more capable 1/4 mile cars ... When I ran my 12.9 there was a camaro SS with Long Tubes and a flash and he did no better than 13.0 in his Auto...

Jnaut went 12.3 with bolt ons and a good launch... how many SS camaros run 12.3 ? Not as many as you think. The Z will run circles around the z4 and regular caymen, caymen S is a fine machine but way more money and is worthy of its price tag.

But out of all those cars I still take the Z ...

also MANY corvette guys have driven Z's and actually had more "fun" in the Z ... straight line acceleration is just one aspect of a car. The car handles phenomenal, I drive the e92 m3 when ever I can get my buddy to swap our cars for a few hours and our car is 85% of that car, and dare I say this because there will be nay sayers, but on a private road by us , me and him went at it several times, once to a VERY high speed and EVERY SINGLE TIME the outcome was within a few feet of each other either way. 6m e92 M3 ... and that car is used as a benchmark for track beasts and my buddy litteraly sweats that my Z feels as good as it does. The Z is absolutely no slouch and out of all those cars looks as nice as any of them except the M ...

sonic370 · 11-10-2010, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05

Import, Ive read over all your threads, some redundant and all they do is pick apart the apparent " flaws " of this car that a few forum members post about. You stir the pot and act like you know about the car.

Your trans am is also a disgusting car IMO and I wouldn't take it for free. The fact the clutch felt better to you is prob because it was YOUR car and its what YOU are used to, just like we like the 370z stuff.

IMO you come on here acting like a know it all and I really never get like this but you and your threads/posts just rub me the wrong way. Its amazing that you consider this car at all because almost every thread and post you make you put ur trans am on a pedestal and act like its better than the Z ...

I will guarantee put a pro driver in the 370 and in your trans am and the Z will absolutely demolish the trans am around a road coarse ... Of coarse if you throw cams + bolt ons to a big v8 it will make power but with that power do you get anything else ?

On another note my car has a intakes, test pipes , exhaust , a tune, OIL COOLER , springs, etc and my car was just in for warranty work and they actually complimented me for getting an oil cooler. Nissan is well aware the motor runs hot and will not void your warranty for it. If you blow a hose off your cooler, leak all your oil and continue to beat the piss out of you car, yea it can get voided, IF they know that happened. Thats about it.

The Z will also beat every single SRT 8 out in the 1/4 stock IF driven correctly and be right there with SS's and GT's. And lets not forget the Z came out first BEFORE the 5.0, it laughs at 09 GT's by a significant margain in every aspect imaginable. Some test only show the 5.0 13.1-13.0 but I do agree they are faster/more capable 1/4 mile cars ... When I ran my 12.9 there was a camaro SS with Long Tubes and a flash and he did no better than 13.0 in his Auto...

Jnaut went 12.3 with bolt ons and a good launch... how many SS camaros run 12.3 ? Not as many as you think. The Z will run circles around the z4 and regular caymen, caymen S is a fine machine but way more money and is worthy of its price tag.

But out of all those cars I still take the Z ...

also MANY corvette guys have driven Z's and actually had more "fun" in the Z ... straight line acceleration is just one aspect of a car. The car handles phenomenal, I drive the e92 m3 when ever I can get my buddy to swap our cars for a few hours and our car is 85% of that car, and dare I say this because there will be nay sayers, but on a private road by us , me and him went at it several times, once to a VERY high speed and EVERY SINGLE TIME the outcome was within a few feet of each other either way. 6m e92 M3 ... and that car is used as a benchmark for track beasts and my buddy litteraly sweats that my Z feels as good as it does. The Z is absolutely no slouch and out of all those cars looks as nice as any of them except the M ...

sonic370 · 11-10-2010, 08:15 PM

ok sticking my neck out here. but i would bet 99% of these cars everyone is talking about are driven on the street. 0-60 is a good judge, so often do you test you 0-60 times a day,where i live no much. on handling on any given day
i don't get that much of a chance either to test that out. can't remember the last time i had it up to 150,just kidding never.

so my point imo all these cars are bought by there appeal to each driver
looks sex appeal call it what you want... and the 370 takes a back seat to none of them in its price range......

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05

Import, Ive read over all your threads, some redundant and all they do is pick apart the apparent " flaws " of this car that a few forum members post about. You stir the pot and act like you know about the car.

Driven it a few times, enough to compare it to other stuff. Certainly don't know ALL about it.

Your trans am is also a disgusting car IMO and I wouldn't take it for free. The fact the clutch felt better to you is prob because it was YOUR car and its what YOU are used to, just like we like the 370z stuff.

Cool, I basically gave my WS6 away as I agree with you. Maybe you skipped those posts and just read what you wanted to? Still, the Z has a very light clutch without much feel for the engaugement point compared to any other standard I have driven except a Ford Ranger.

IMO you come on here acting like a know it all and I really never get like this but you and your threads/posts just rub me the wrong way. Its amazing that you consider this car at all because almost every thread and post you make you put ur trans am on a pedestal and act like its better than the Z ...

Again, you only read what you wanted to. Please find ONE post where I said my WS6 was superior in ANY way save the driveline department or the steering feed-back. I agree, it was a pile, and I got rid of it.

I will guarantee put a pro driver in the 370 and in your trans am and the Z will absolutely demolish the trans am around a road coarse ... Of coarse if you throw cams + bolt ons to a big v8 it will make power but with that power do you get anything else ?

Once again, see last comment in red.

On another note my car has a intakes, test pipes , exhaust , a tune, OIL COOLER , springs, etc and my car was just in for warranty work and they actually complimented me for getting an oil cooler. Nissan is well aware the motor runs hot and will not void your warranty for it. If you blow a hose off your cooler, leak all your oil and continue to beat the piss out of you car, yea it can get voided, IF they know that happened. Thats about it.

It's a shame the dealership isn't the one that "OK's" the replacement of major components under warranty. That is forwarded to corporate and THEY decide if they are buying you a new trans/motor/whatever. I guarantee corporate will not be as complimentary.It's a shame, but thats the way all companies are going, now.

The Z will also beat every single SRT 8 out in the 1/4 stock IF driven correctly and be right there with SS's and GT's. And lets not forget the Z came out first BEFORE the 5.0, it laughs at 09 GT's by a significant margain in every aspect imaginable. The pre '11 GT's ran mid 13's. I saw a magazine publish a 13.1 by Evan Smith back in the day when it first came out in '05. True, it was at 99mph and Evan Smith at E-town is a driving machine/track match made in heaven. Either way, a few tenth is not "laughing at by a significant margin" unless you will admit that the high 12's run by the Camaro's and 5.0's are "laughing at the Z by a significant margin" as well. I mean, c'mon. how is 13.3 laughing at 13.6 when 13.3 is "right there with 12.8? I just don't get where you come up with that, but if it makes you feel good, go for it!
Some test only show the 5.0 13.1-13.0 but I do agree they are faster/more capable 1/4 mile cars ... When I ran my 12.9 there was a camaro SS with Long Tubes and a flash and he did no better than 13.0 in his Auto...
[COLOR="Red"]'grats on your time. It's good stuff.COLOR]

Jnaut went 12.3 with bolt ons and a good launch... how many SS camaros run 12.3 ? Not as many as you think. The Z will run circles around the z4 and regular caymen, caymen S is a fine machine but way more money and is worthy of its price tag.

But out of all those cars I still take the Z ...

also MANY corvette guys have driven Z's and actually had more "fun" in the Z ... straight line acceleration is just one aspect of a car. The car handles phenomenal, I drive the e92 m3 when ever I can get my buddy to swap our cars for a few hours and our car is 85% of that car, and dare I say this because there will be nay sayers, but on a private road by us , me and him went at it several times, once to a VERY high speed and EVERY SINGLE TIME the outcome was within a few feet of each other either way. 6m e92 M3 ... and that car is used as a benchmark for track beasts and my buddy litteraly sweats that my Z feels as good as it does. The Z is absolutely no slouch and out of all those cars looks as nice as any of them except the M ...

Well, I will have to say, it sounds like you got all in a tizzy over it, but you need to remember it's just the internet and I'm just some guy hundreds (thousands?) of miles away and you shouldn't get all worked up over it. You don't like me? So. Not my problem. Just don't read my posts. Skip right over 'em if they drive your blood-pressure up like that.

I will have to take issue with your statement about the 370Z beating "every" stock SRT-8, though.

Find me a stock 370Z timeslip that betters 13.1@108 from a reliable source (i.e. published). Here is one for the SRT-8.
2006 Dodge Magnum SRT8 Vs. 2005 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG Specs & Stats - Motor Trend

*Or you can opt to skip this post as I earlier suggested. Nothing off my back. For what it's worth, if I end up with a 370Z, I will defend it just as ardently. However, the only things negative I have consistantly said about it is that it's 50bhp light and an oil-cooler short. To me, steering-feel and clutch engaugement can be learned (as you stated above.) I simply felt that the feedback was lacking. That's it. You make it sound like I have "torn the car apart". Again, reading what you want. We all do it, though.

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Originally Posted by sonic370

ok sticking my neck out here. but i would bet 99% of these cars everyone is talking about are driven on the street. 0-60 is a good judge, so often do you test you 0-60 times a day,where i live no much. on handling on any given dayi don't get that much of a chance either to test that out. can't remember the last time i had it up to 150,just kidding never.

so my point imo all these cars are bought by there appeal to each driver
looks sex appeal call it what you want... and the 370 takes a back seat to none of them in its price range......

To get a 4.7 second 0-60 out of the 370Z requires a real launch. Not just off-idle at a light. Do you rev to 3200 and slip the clutch or higher and burn the tires on a daily basis? IF so, you're right. If not, I think 5-60 is much more accurate regarding how the car will feel in daily driving. The difference between the two is significant. 4.6-7 for a "launch" and 5.8 for a roll-on off idle (5-60).

This is what Motortrend had to say about achieving those 0-60 times: "Acceleration Comments: 370 Z seems to like wheel spin off the line-- and it's required to keep from bogging engine. We found at least 5,000 rpm works best. Get the clutch out quick or it will sink."

SO if you launch from 5K rpm daily, yeah, 0-60 is important. If not, 5-60 is much more meaningful.

TypeOne · 11-10-2010, 08:43 PM

^^^

So, you don't even own a Z?

Out of curiosity... why do you post on this forum?

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by TypeOne

^^^

So, you don't even own a Z?

Out of curiosity... why do you post on this forum?

I was considering buying one. I bought my WS6 back in 2006 because "LS1's were fast, and the WS6 is cheaper than a 'vette".

I did not spend ANY time researching it. I just liked the numbers so I bought.

I don't EVER want to do that again. I want to see what good/bad REAL people have to say about a car. So I went and joined this forum. I test drove numerous Z's in various configurations, and formed opinions from those test-drives, my friends who have owned 370's long-term, and what I see posted here.

My conclusion so-far is that if I decide against a 'vett, I will go for the 370 and just trade it in as soon as Nissan makes a faster one.

That, is why I am here. I post things based on my personal experience (limited it may be) with the Z.

TypeOne · 11-10-2010, 09:12 PM

I see. Well, don't take this the wrong way... but I don't think you'll be seeing a much faster Z for a long time.

You know, YOU could always make it faster... there isn't anything stopping you from doing that. Right?

I drove a WRX STi for a while, GT35R rotated turbo kit w/meth injection... made 520whp. It wasn't a jet... it pulled so hard under full boost it made your stomach hurt. I would run down street bikes on the highway, but I sold it for a Z.
The Z is just a nicer, sportier car.. I think. I could have easily bought a Mustang or something "faster" but to me, it wasn't something that needed to be #1 on the list.

I can't speak for everyone, but I would never even think about owning a WS6 after driving and living with my Z.

Do you post on Corvette forums as well?

ImportConvert · 11-10-2010, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TypeOne

I see. Well, don't take this the wrong way... but I don't think you'll be seeing a much faster Z for a long time.

You know, YOU could always make it faster... there isn't anything stopping you from doing that. Right?

I drove a WRX STi for a while, GT35R rotated turbo kit w/meth injection... made 520whp. It wasn't a jet... it pulled so hard under full boost it made your stomach hurt. I would run down street bikes on the highway, but I sold it for a Z.
The Z is just a nicer, sportier car.. I think. I could have easily bought a Mustang or something "faster" but to me, it wasn't something that needed to be #1 on the list.

I can't speak for everyone, but I would never even think about owning a WS6 after driving and living with my Z.

Do you post on Corvette forums as well?

Yes, I could modify the Z, but I would like to maintain my warranty. I want a full warranty and re-sale.

Yes, I see what is going on on the 'vette forum as well.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-09-2011, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Yes, I could modify the Z, but I would like to maintain my warranty. I want a full warranty and re-sale.

Yes, I see what is going on on the 'vette forum as well.

Why don't you just stay on the corvette forums??? You have the onliest automotive identity crisis. One minute all you do is spew out every flaw and negative thought you have on the Z. Then you make threads saying you are about to buy one because...
Dude get a grip. The Z is no vette in power but kills it in handling when talking street performance. The vetter is a track car. The vette has poor build quality and costs twice the price. And if you are an enthusiast? Your warranty is a secondary thought. You don't want to mod a Z for more power??? FINE don't buy one. But stop trying to convince us it is not worth modding or is an inferior car due to your lack, there of. The corvette has an impressive engine and that's where it ends. After that the vette needs work too. GM'S axles break under heavy use, gaskets blow left and right under heavy use. Chassis durability sux. Build quality is econo class on a 60k car and you can sell the phrase "affordable supercar" all day long but its still a cheaply built american wannabe supercar. the Z may need turbos and coolers but the vette needs a suspension, new axle and differential a completely new interior and RATTLE-REPELLANT. The vette rattles more than an ARIZONA SNAKE-PIT.

JUST KEEPING IT REAL, I still think vettes are "Generally" cool. But vettes need a lot of work too. At 32k, the Z still has no competitor. And you wanna get technical about the Z being slower than mustangs. But think about it. 12.8 quarters on the stang. 13.1 on the Z. One is a 5litre v8, the other 3.7 v6. Hmmmm 13.1 is wayyyy more impressive. I've been next to 5.0's on real world pavement. They aren't faster in that situation. That's one thing that's never discussed here. The performance on pavement is still way superior. That's where u begin to compare BMW, the king of pavement cars and the 370z, puts a dent in that one too.
On the track, the Z is not as race ready as a vette or mustang, but it still holds its own. And the evo... fun car, but is sitting in the rattle pit with the vette. Its an awwd as well so its even less of a car to compare. Its designed for a whole different type of fun.
You don't choose EVO's over Z's. You try to own both for a different driving experience. But the evo still can't be a Z in the build quality department.

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-09-2011, 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05

Import, Ive read over all your threads, some redundant and all they do is pick apart the apparent " flaws " of this car that a few forum members post about. You stir the pot and act like you know about the car.

Your trans am is also a disgusting car IMO and I wouldn't take it for free. The fact the clutch felt better to you is prob because it was YOUR car and its what YOU are used to, just like we like the 370z stuff.

IMO you come on here acting like a know it all and I really never get like this but you and your threads/posts just rub me the wrong way. Its amazing that you consider this car at all because almost every thread and post you make you put ur trans am on a pedestal and act like its better than the Z ...

I will guarantee put a pro driver in the 370 and in your trans am and the Z will absolutely demolish the trans am around a road coarse ... Of coarse if you throw cams + bolt ons to a big v8 it will make power but with that power do you get anything else ?

On another note my car has a intakes, test pipes , exhaust , a tune, OIL COOLER , springs, etc and my car was just in for warranty work and they actually complimented me for getting an oil cooler. Nissan is well aware the motor runs hot and will not void your warranty for it. If you blow a hose off your cooler, leak all your oil and continue to beat the piss out of you car, yea it can get voided, IF they know that happened. Thats about it.

The Z will also beat every single SRT 8 out in the 1/4 stock IF driven correctly and be right there with SS's and GT's. And lets not forget the Z came out first BEFORE the 5.0, it laughs at 09 GT's by a significant margain in every aspect imaginable. Some test only show the 5.0 13.1-13.0 but I do agree they are faster/more capable 1/4 mile cars ... When I ran my 12.9 there was a camaro SS with Long Tubes and a flash and he did no better than 13.0 in his Auto...

Jnaut went 12.3 with bolt ons and a good launch... how many SS camaros run 12.3 ? Not as many as you think. The Z will run circles around the z4 and regular caymen, caymen S is a fine machine but way more money and is worthy of its price tag.

But out of all those cars I still take the Z ...

also MANY corvette guys have driven Z's and actually had more "fun" in the Z ... straight line acceleration is just one aspect of a car. The car handles phenomenal, I drive the e92 m3 when ever I can get my buddy to swap our cars for a few hours and our car is 85% of that car, and dare I say this because there will be nay sayers, but on a private road by us , me and him went at it several times, once to a VERY high speed and EVERY SINGLE TIME the outcome was within a few feet of each other either way. 6m e92 M3 ... and that car is used as a benchmark for track beasts and my buddy litteraly sweats that my Z feels as good as it does. The Z is absolutely no slouch and out of all those cars looks as nice as any of them except the M ...

THE GOSPEL HAS BEEN SPOKEN! U MY FRIEND ARE BEING REPPED!

11-10-2010, 12:55 PM	#1 (permalink)
chuckd05 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NY Posts: 2,391 Drives: No longer a Z Rep Power: 21	Import, Ive read over all your threads, some redundant and all they do is pick apart the apparent " flaws " of this car that a few forum members post about. You stir the pot and act like you know about the car. Your trans am is also a disgusting car IMO and I wouldn't take it for free. The fact the clutch felt better to you is prob because it was YOUR car and its what YOU are used to, just like we like the 370z stuff. IMO you come on here acting like a know it all and I really never get like this but you and your threads/posts just rub me the wrong way. Its amazing that you consider this car at all because almost every thread and post you make you put ur trans am on a pedestal and act like its better than the Z ... I will guarantee put a pro driver in the 370 and in your trans am and the Z will absolutely demolish the trans am around a road coarse ... Of coarse if you throw cams + bolt ons to a big v8 it will make power but with that power do you get anything else ? On another note my car has a intakes, test pipes , exhaust , a tune, OIL COOLER , springs, etc and my car was just in for warranty work and they actually complimented me for getting an oil cooler. Nissan is well aware the motor runs hot and will not void your warranty for it. If you blow a hose off your cooler, leak all your oil and continue to beat the piss out of you car, yea it can get voided, IF they know that happened. Thats about it. The Z will also beat every single SRT 8 out in the 1/4 stock IF driven correctly and be right there with SS's and GT's. And lets not forget the Z came out first BEFORE the 5.0, it laughs at 09 GT's by a significant margain in every aspect imaginable. Some test only show the 5.0 13.1-13.0 but I do agree they are faster/more capable 1/4 mile cars ... When I ran my 12.9 there was a camaro SS with Long Tubes and a flash and he did no better than 13.0 in his Auto... Jnaut went 12.3 with bolt ons and a good launch... how many SS camaros run 12.3 ? Not as many as you think. The Z will run circles around the z4 and regular caymen, caymen S is a fine machine but way more money and is worthy of its price tag. But out of all those cars I still take the Z ... also MANY corvette guys have driven Z's and actually had more "fun" in the Z ... straight line acceleration is just one aspect of a car. The car handles phenomenal, I drive the e92 m3 when ever I can get my buddy to swap our cars for a few hours and our car is 85% of that car, and dare I say this because there will be nay sayers, but on a private road by us , me and him went at it several times, once to a VERY high speed and EVERY SINGLE TIME the outcome was within a few feet of each other either way. 6m e92 M3 ... and that car is used as a benchmark for track beasts and my buddy litteraly sweats that my Z feels as good as it does. The Z is absolutely no slouch and out of all those cars looks as nice as any of them except the M ... __________________ 09 370Z 6M PW - FBO Best 1/4 mile = 12.926 @ 109 SOLD -- 08 BMW 135i - FBO 12.1@120mph SOLD -- white 09 e92 335 Coupe Mtech - 11.9 @ 119 :-) Last edited by chuckd05; 11-10-2010 at 12:58 PM.

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11-10-2010, 08:15 PM	#3 (permalink)
sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 20	ok sticking my neck out here. but i would bet 99% of these cars everyone is talking about are driven on the street. 0-60 is a good judge, so often do you test you 0-60 times a day,where i live no much. on handling on any given day i don't get that much of a chance either to test that out. can't remember the last time i had it up to 150,just kidding never. so my point imo all these cars are bought by there appeal to each driver looks sex appeal call it what you want... and the 370 takes a back seat to none of them in its price range......

11-10-2010, 08:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
TypeOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 2,682 Drives: BSM 370 Rep Power: 1853	^^^ So, you don't even own a Z? Out of curiosity... why do you post on this forum?

11-10-2010, 09:12 PM	#7 (permalink)
TypeOne A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Baton Rouge, LA Posts: 2,682 Drives: BSM 370 Rep Power: 1853	I see. Well, don't take this the wrong way... but I don't think you'll be seeing a much faster Z for a long time. You know, YOU could always make it faster... there isn't anything stopping you from doing that. Right? I drove a WRX STi for a while, GT35R rotated turbo kit w/meth injection... made 520whp. It wasn't a jet... it pulled so hard under full boost it made your stomach hurt. I would run down street bikes on the highway, but I sold it for a Z. The Z is just a nicer, sportier car.. I think. I could have easily bought a Mustang or something "faster" but to me, it wasn't something that needed to be #1 on the list. I can't speak for everyone, but I would never even think about owning a WS6 after driving and living with my Z. Do you post on Corvette forums as well?