VDC...off?

ImportConvert · 10-04-2010, 12:14 AM

When you turn VDC off in the Z, is it hard to control? Does it have nasty tendancies to whip the rear to one side or the other on the 2-3 shift or something?

I know the "VDC off" thing is a joke regarding the GT-R, but have seen it talked about a lot. Joke, or serious?

memorylasts · 10-04-2010, 12:29 AM

It is the same just dont do anything stupid with the car until you fully understand the dynamics of it...

I DD with it off, it just annoys me, what can i say. With that being said it also took me a while to understand what the car will let you get away with. If you push to hard odds are you will spin/wreck, so just figure out the car and go from there.

alexanderb · 10-04-2010, 01:06 AM

Does the 7AT also behave the same as a 6MT with VDC off i.e wheelspin etc? I've never had the guts to turn it off

ImportConvert · 10-04-2010, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by memorylasts

It is the same just dont do anything stupid with the car until you fully understand the dynamics of it...

I DD with it off, it just annoys me, what can i say. With that being said it also took me a while to understand what the car will let you get away with. If you push to hard odds are you will spin/wreck, so just figure out the car and go from there.

I have always driven RWD V8 cars (until recently). The only trouble I ever had was in the rain. Is the 370Z rotation-happy? My 5.0 would burn them off in the first 3 gears, but it did so in a straight line. My last 2 F-bodies kicked about 1 foot to the left, and then pulled. You just had to twitch the wheel with the kick and you were fine. It was instinctive. 370Z similar?

memorylasts · 10-04-2010, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by alexanderb

Does the 7AT also behave the same as a 6MT with VDC off i.e wheelspin etc? I've never had the guts to turn it off

I am not sure what the exact difference would be other then some delay, I dont have the AT, so just shut it off dont drive like as idiot. if you traction light comes on when your driving and you know why it went off then go ahead try it, IF YOU DONT KNOW WHY THEN LEAVE IT ON, the car is not going to snap around if you drive within your own personal limits of the car which ever fills the skill set at the lowest pick just to get used to it.

I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE IF YOU GET INTO A WRECK, DRIVE RECKLESS, ENDANGER OF ANY LIVES...ETC IF YOU **** UP IT IS ON YOU

ZedZed · 10-04-2010, 03:06 AM

I really don't understand why one would want to turn VDC off other than racing on a track, it really baffles me.

Anyway, please post some pix of your crashed Z with VDC off (that's if you survived the crash of course), we sure love seeing those.

ImportConvert · 10-04-2010, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZedZed

I really don't understand why one would want to turn VDC off other than racing on a track, it really baffles me.

Anyway, please post some pix of your crashed Z with VDC off (that's if you survived the crash of course), we sure love seeing those.

I don't understand why you would turn it off, either, but it's not like you're driving a Viper. A stock 370 is well within most people's ability to man-handle. The nanny is just nice when unexpected hazards present themselves.

CrownR426 · 10-04-2010, 03:20 AM

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Originally Posted by alexanderb

Does the 7AT also behave the same as a 6MT with VDC off i.e wheelspin etc? I've never had the guts to turn it off

OMG...
If you have not been driving without VDC you do not know the true power of the Z. LOL!
I do not recommend you doing this near others because you probably do not know how to control your car once u get fish tailing.
But just know that if you don not catch yourself you are done.
If you are drag racing you always take it off.

ZedZed · 10-04-2010, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

A stock 370 is well within most people's ability to man-handle.

With VDC on I agree, but with it off it's another matter.

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VDC is a bit like wearing a rubber whilst having sex with a new partner, it's less fun for sure but it's also much less risky. Take it off and you'll have one heck of a good time but you might suffer the consequences. Is it worth it? You're better off getting to know your partner before moving to the next step.

Anyway, this subject has been flogged to death in previous posts, I don't think I'll contribute anything worthwhile.

alexanderb · 10-04-2010, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ZedZed

With VDC on I agree, but with it off it's another matter.

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VDC is a bit like wearing a rubber whilst having sex with a new partner, it's less fun for sure but it's also much less risky. Take it off and you'll have one heck of a good time but you might suffer the consequences. Is it worth it? You're better off getting to know your partner before moving to the next step.

Anyway, this subject has been flogged to death in previous posts, I don't think I'll contribute anything worthwhile.

Very good analogy! Rep for you!

ImportConvert · 10-04-2010, 03:58 AM

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Originally Posted by CrownR426

OMG...
If you have not been driving without VDC you do not know the true power of the Z. LOL!
I do not recommend you doing this near others because you probably do not know how to control your car once u get fish tailing.
But just know that if you don not catch yourself you are done.
If you are drag racing you always take it off.

Does VDC really kill the car that much? The only car I had with any kind of traction control were my two Trans Ams. It did nothing unless the tires spun, and even with 300rwhp/300rwtq, that didn't happen on good pavement even on hard 1-2 shifts. Do Z's have traction issues? I understand the springs in the rear are pretty stiff, so I figure maybe they are prone to being snappy on shifts?

Trips · 10-04-2010, 04:04 AM

This subject has been discussed in numerous threads. Please use the advance google search, and try vdc.
Thank You.

IDZRVIT · 10-04-2010, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ZedZed

Anyway, please post some pix of your crashed Z with VDC off (that's if you survived the crash of course), we sure love seeing those.

I hope you have more faith in your own driving skills than having faith in "VDC on will ALWAYS save my a$$ no matter how reckless I drive." I'm not saying you're a reckless driver but it's hard to refrain from spirited driving once in awhile with a sports car. If one knows how to drive to begin with, then it doesn't matter whether VDC is on or off.

fullmonty · 10-04-2010, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ZedZed

With VDC on I agree, but with it off it's another matter.

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VDC is a bit like wearing a rubber whilst having sex with a new partner, it's less fun for sure but it's also much less risky. Take it off and you'll have one heck of a good time but you might suffer the consequences. Is it worth it? You're better off getting to know your partner before moving to the next step.

Anyway, this subject has been flogged to death in previous posts, I don't think I'll contribute anything worthwhile.

Couldn't of been said better +1

spearfish25 · 10-04-2010, 07:53 AM

1. Don't turn off VDC and 'test the waters' unless you are on a track, doing an AutoX, or in a deserted parking lot. While everyone THINKS they have quick hands and can catch a slide, they can't until they've practiced.
2. VDC does not make going fast impossible...it just demands that a driver keeps the car balanced and smooth. I had the opportunity of doing hot laps in a 370Z with a professional driver during a track day. They had R-compounds on the car and he was driving like you wouldn't believe. When we pitted, I asked if he had VDC off and he had no idea what I was talking about. Looking at the dash, the VDC light wasn't illuminated (VDC was 'on' the whole time). He was able to drive so smoothly and with such balance that the car never even noticed. My Z has probably never lapped as fast as he was that day.
3. VDC 'off' is not unmanageable but you have to have quick hands to catch slides. If the rear end starts to rotate and you sit there saying "hmmm, feels like the back end is sliding. I wonder how far it will slide. I wonder if I should give a little opposite lock. Ok, here is a little opposite lock. Oh $hit, the back end is still sliding and even a bit faster now. I'll try some more opposite lock and maybe lift off the gas too (a bad idea)..."...YOU'RE COOKED.

I've found that I have very quick hands during an AutoX event because I'm expecting slides and my senses are heightened. However, if the rear end gets loose any other time, I'm not nearly as quick. A racing technique book I read recently suggested that top drivers prefer to induce a bit of slide because they will then both know when it's happening and be more prepared to deal with it (no surprise factor).

Short answer, keep VDC on unless you're on the track, in an empty parking lot, or doing an AutoX.

10-04-2010, 12:14 AM	#1 (permalink)
ImportConvert A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: SWMO Posts: 4,454 Drives: 2019 CX5 GT Reserve Rep Power: 7626	VDC...off? When you turn VDC off in the Z, is it hard to control? Does it have nasty tendancies to whip the rear to one side or the other on the 2-3 shift or something? I know the "VDC off" thing is a joke regarding the GT-R, but have seen it talked about a lot. Joke, or serious?

10-04-2010, 12:29 AM	#2 (permalink)
memorylasts A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,125 Drives: Cars... Rep Power: 17	It is the same just dont do anything stupid with the car until you fully understand the dynamics of it... I DD with it off, it just annoys me, what can i say. With that being said it also took me a while to understand what the car will let you get away with. If you push to hard odds are you will spin/wreck, so just figure out the car and go from there. __________________ somewhat-journal-thingy

10-04-2010, 04:04 AM	#12 (permalink)
Trips Administrator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Disneyland, Ca Posts: 8,728 Drives: 🔰 Rep Power: 10	This subject has been discussed in numerous threads. Please use the advance google search, and try vdc. Thank You. __________________

10-04-2010, 07:53 AM	#15 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	1. Don't turn off VDC and 'test the waters' unless you are on a track, doing an AutoX, or in a deserted parking lot. While everyone THINKS they have quick hands and can catch a slide, they can't until they've practiced. 2. VDC does not make going fast impossible...it just demands that a driver keeps the car balanced and smooth. I had the opportunity of doing hot laps in a 370Z with a professional driver during a track day. They had R-compounds on the car and he was driving like you wouldn't believe. When we pitted, I asked if he had VDC off and he had no idea what I was talking about. Looking at the dash, the VDC light wasn't illuminated (VDC was 'on' the whole time). He was able to drive so smoothly and with such balance that the car never even noticed. My Z has probably never lapped as fast as he was that day. 3. VDC 'off' is not unmanageable but you have to have quick hands to catch slides. If the rear end starts to rotate and you sit there saying "hmmm, feels like the back end is sliding. I wonder how far it will slide. I wonder if I should give a little opposite lock. Ok, here is a little opposite lock. Oh $hit, the back end is still sliding and even a bit faster now. I'll try some more opposite lock and maybe lift off the gas too (a bad idea)..."...YOU'RE COOKED. I've found that I have very quick hands during an AutoX event because I'm expecting slides and my senses are heightened. However, if the rear end gets loose any other time, I'm not nearly as quick. A racing technique book I read recently suggested that top drivers prefer to induce a bit of slide because they will then both know when it's happening and be more prepared to deal with it (no surprise factor). Short answer, keep VDC on unless you're on the track, in an empty parking lot, or doing an AutoX. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z Last edited by spearfish25; 10-04-2010 at 07:55 AM.

10-04-2010, 01:06 AM	#3 (permalink)
alexanderb Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Manila Posts: 170 Drives: PG 370 Tour/Sprt/Nav Rep Power: 270	Does the 7AT also behave the same as a 6MT with VDC off i.e wheelspin etc? I've never had the guts to turn it off

10-04-2010, 03:06 AM	#6 (permalink)
ZedZed Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Belgium, Brussels Posts: 237 Drives: nothing Rep Power: 15	I really don't understand why one would want to turn VDC off other than racing on a track, it really baffles me. Anyway, please post some pix of your crashed Z with VDC off (that's if you survived the crash of course), we sure love seeing those.