manual question.

keioh · 03-19-2009, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

OFF. And no, it's not because I'm a Luddite. I have SRM and use it almost constantly. My thought is that the 370Z is the only car with SRM right now. So she needs to know what to expect if she one day goes and drives a different car with a MT. Let me put it this way, imagine she gets accustomed to just dropping the clutch back in on a downshift, and it's nice and smooth due to SRM. Then she goes and tries the same thing with a different MT car. Wham! Talk about a rude awakening.

Edit: Btw, you're a REALLY nice uncle to teach your niece how to drive MT with your new Z! I don't think I could stand doing that! lol

Guess you're right. Thats what I'll do. She needs to learn the hard way.
About letting her drive-- Its a family thing.

Forrest · 03-19-2009, 05:55 PM

well im spoiled then cuz im learning with SRM and guess what im NOT turning it off haha! When i am "good" at SRM i will turn it off and learn with out.

I look at it like this SRM = a stepping stool to learn how to make it easyer, once i get past that i can learn with out it, but for now its a great assistance.

Musashi · 03-19-2009, 11:48 PM

first learn how not to stall and take it easy on the clutch kid. SRM has more going on then you can comprehend at this point.

Crash · 03-22-2009, 02:54 PM

When I teach people how to drive stick, I teach them how TO stall the car! I want them to know what makes the car stall. Hills, breaking without clutching, easing the car into an idle roll, etc. When the driver gets an idea of where the car's clutch engages, and what it feels like just before a stall, it makes it MUCH easier to learn how NOT to stall the car. Stalling a couple times in the beginning isn't really bad for the car, but learning not to stall at all is even more valuable.

Musashi · 03-22-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

When I teach people how to drive stick, I teach them how TO stall the car! I want them to know what makes the car stall. Hills, breaking without clutching, easing the car into an idle roll, etc. When the driver gets an idea of where the car's clutch engages, and what it feels like just before a stall, it makes it MUCH easier to learn how NOT to stall the car. Stalling a couple times in the beginning isn't really bad for the car, but learning not to stall at all is even more valuable.

That is an excellent recommendation for beginners!

DJcuetip · 03-23-2009, 04:41 AM

quick question... on hills a buddy of mine recommended that while at stop... with foot still on brake... slowly release the clutch near to right before engagement point so that once you release the brake to hit the gas.. the car won't be rolling back as fast because it is slightly engaged... i tried this the other day and it seemed to work good especially when cars are right behind your as$!.. my question is.. is this ok for the transmission, or is the e-brake recommended.. i just hate doing the e-brake cause i feel like its to much tings at once.. and im a lazy guy

Crash · 03-24-2009, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DJcuetip

quick question... on hills a buddy of mine recommended that while at stop... with foot still on brake... slowly release the clutch near to right before engagement point so that once you release the brake to hit the gas.. the car won't be rolling back as fast because it is slightly engaged... i tried this the other day and it seemed to work good especially when cars are right behind your as$!.. my question is.. is this ok for the transmission, or is the e-brake recommended.. i just hate doing the e-brake cause i feel like its to much tings at once.. and im a lazy guy

I don't recommend this. It's not a good practice. It takes a bit of learning, but you will eventually be able to just let off the break and know exactly where your clutch's engagement point is and be on the gas before rolling back. I'm on hills all the time, and if I roll back at all, it's not more than an inch. It's just a matter of knowing your car. If you're in someone else's car, sure, use the e-brake, but don't ride the clutch.

Best practice is that you should never sit at a light or stop in neutral for the following reasons:

A) If you're a good driver and you leave enough space in front of you while you sit behind a car at a stop, you'll have a better chance of getting out of the way in time if a car is coming up behind you too fast to NOT hit you. (Let them hit the person in front of you, but get the hell out of the way!)

B) When you're on an incline (hill), it takes longer to put the car into gear. Having the car in gear with one foot on the clutch and one foot on the brake will save you plenty of time and you'll be ready to just get on the gas to prevent roll back. (Remember, you must be in total neutral for more than a second before the car picks up speed on a roll back.) So the time between your right foot getting to the gas from the brake peddle is VERY short.

C) Staying in the habit of always being in gear will help prevent forgetting you're not in gear at a light, or forgetting to clutch in at a stop.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but these are the reasons I personally keep the car in gear at all times.

Forrest · 03-24-2009, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

I don't recommend this. It's not a good practice. It takes a bit of learning, but you will eventually be able to just let off the break and know exactly where your clutch's engagement point is and be on the gas before rolling back. I'm on hills all the time, and if I roll back at all, it's not more than an inch. It's just a matter of knowing your car. If you're in someone else's car, sure, use the e-brake, but don't ride the clutch.

Best practice is that you should never sit at a light or stop in neutral for the following reasons:

A) If you're a good driver and you leave enough space in front of you while you sit behind a car at a stop, you'll have a better chance of getting out of the way in time if a car is coming up behind you too fast to NOT hit you. (Let them hit the person in front of you, but get the hell out of the way!)

B) When you're on an incline (hill), it takes longer to put the car into gear. Having the car in gear with one foot on the clutch and one foot on the brake will save you plenty of time and you'll be ready to just get on the gas to prevent roll back. (Remember, you must be in total neutral for more than a second before the car picks up speed on a roll back.) So the time between your right foot getting to the gas from the brake peddle is VERY short.

C) Staying in the habit of always being in gear will help prevent forgetting you're not in gear at a light, or forgetting to clutch in at a stop.

I'm sure there are more reasons, but these are the reasons I personally keep the car in gear at all times.

isnt your method considered riding the clutch? wich shorten its life span? I sort of read you want to go into neutral so you dont ride the clutch.

MarcusMIA · 03-24-2009, 10:57 PM

I respect the love for a manual car. I, myself, have never learned to drive manual because there have never been any of those cars around me for me to learn in. I would actually love to to learn how to drive manual. It seems very engaging.

That being said, the new Z seems to redefine the difference between the two transmissions as far as performance goes. In a car where the two available transmissions allow delivery of almost IDENTICAL HP/Torque numbers, I don't see how anyone could pick the manual as far as straight up pedal to the metal performance goes.

Sure the manual is much more engaging and fun, I can't comment on that. I don't deny that from those that say that. However, in a straight line I'd like to see who would be able to clutch shift faster than the push of a paddle shifter and actually have a faster time, possibly.

Those are just some thoughts that have come to my head.

My source is 370z.com.

RDGR12 · 03-26-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MarcusMIA

I respect the love for a manual car. I, myself, have never learned to drive manual because there have never been any of those cars around me for me to learn in. I would actually love to to learn how to drive manual. It seems very engaging.

That being said, the new Z seems to redefine the difference between the two transmissions as far as performance goes. In a car where the two available transmissions allow delivery of almost IDENTICAL HP/Torque numbers, I don't see how anyone could pick the manual as far as straight up pedal to the metal performance goes.

Sure the manual is much more engaging and fun, I can't comment on that. I don't deny that from those that say that. However, in a straight line I'd like to see who would be able to clutch shift faster than the push of a paddle shifter and actually have a faster time, possibly.

Those are just some thoughts that have come to my head.

My source is 370z.com.

The Z with an automatic transmission will probably lose in a straight line run. From a dyno result that have been posted here, the loss of power from an automatic is greater than that in a manual transmission. Technically, it wouldn't matter how much faster the auto may be able to shift. Unless, the transmission is the same as that of the current GTR... then, that's a different story.

Back to topic --

Forrest... If you want a smooth acceleration from a hill no matter how steep it is, I personally suggest for you to learn how to blip the throttle in partially engaged clutch. Blip the throttle gentle enough to keep the car from rolling back and to create enough momentum to get the car moving forward; until you reach the point to be able to accelerate as if you're rolling from a flat surface. This involves working the clutch to engage enough so that it doesn't stall; at the same time working the gas enough to hold and move the car forward.

It's a tricky technique, but if you master it, steepness of the hill wouldn't matter to you, at all.

When I was learning, I find it harder to hold the gas, while working the clutch to find that engagement point to move the car smoothly. This way, you can find that engagement without possibly burning the clutch or lurching forward.

Crash · 03-25-2009, 04:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Forrest

isnt your method considered riding the clutch? wich shorten its life span? I sort of read you want to go into neutral so you dont ride the clutch.

Not at all. No where in my method do you ride the clutch. My method is simply this:

When you're at a stop - Left foot clutch in, right foot brake on.
When you're on a hill - Left foot clutch in, right foot brake on.
When you're going - Right foot gas.

At no point do I say that you should be at a stop while clutching and gassing. Riding the clutch is when you're "halfing" the clutch and gas with the goal of not using the brake and not moving forward or backwards.

My point was that you should ALWAYS be in gear. That's not riding the clutch at all.

And to clear the "terms" up, the only way you can be in neutral is when the shifter is not in gear. Clutching in while in gear is not a method of being in neutral as "neutral" is a transmission term.

pluckyduck · 03-25-2009, 10:10 AM

In my opinion it depends on the situation. Here in the Atlanta area if I'm at a stoplight that I know is going to be at least 2-3 minutes then I keep the car in neutral until I know the light is about to change then I go ahead and engage the clutch a couple of seconds before the light changes. No way am I going to sit there with the clutch in for 3 minutes...

Forrest · 03-25-2009, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash

Not at all. No where in my method do you ride the clutch. My method is simply this:

When you're at a stop - Left foot clutch in, right foot brake on.
When you're on a hill - Left foot clutch in, right foot brake on.
When you're going - Right foot gas.

At no point do I say that you should be at a stop while clutching and gassing. Riding the clutch is when you're "halfing" the clutch and gas with the goal of not using the brake and not moving forward or backwards.

My point was that you should ALWAYS be in gear. That's not riding the clutch at all.

And to clear the "terms" up, the only way you can be in neutral is when the shifter is not in gear. Clutching in while in gear is not a method of being in neutral as "neutral" is a transmission term.

I see what your saying, i just assumed foot in the clutch was considered riding. I read some where maybe even on here, while your driving dont even let your foot rest on the clutch put it on the dead pedal so you dont press in.

But obviously as your saying theres no gas involved in your scenario where the other ones there is.

semtex · 03-23-2009, 07:32 AM

It should be fine as long as you're not doing it for the entire duration of the light. Like do it only when you're ready to take off.

Crash · 03-25-2009, 08:07 PM

^^ Right. I use the e-brake technique when I'm on a hill in the rain. Rear wheel drive cars are a pain in the *** on huge hills to get going in the rain because the back wheels just spin as soon as you put power to them. I use the e-brake and ease the power to the wheels in that case.

03-22-2009, 02:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 591	When I teach people how to drive stick, I teach them how TO stall the car! I want them to know what makes the car stall. Hills, breaking without clutching, easing the car into an idle roll, etc. When the driver gets an idea of where the car's clutch engages, and what it feels like just before a stall, it makes it MUCH easier to learn how NOT to stall the car. Stalling a couple times in the beginning isn't really bad for the car, but learning not to stall at all is even more valuable. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

03-23-2009, 04:41 AM	#6 (permalink)
DJcuetip Track Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: CA Posts: 704 Drives: 370 Rep Power: 261	quick question... on hills a buddy of mine recommended that while at stop... with foot still on brake... slowly release the clutch near to right before engagement point so that once you release the brake to hit the gas.. the car won't be rolling back as fast because it is slightly engaged... i tried this the other day and it seemed to work good especially when cars are right behind your as$!.. my question is.. is this ok for the transmission, or is the e-brake recommended.. i just hate doing the e-brake cause i feel like its to much tings at once.. and im a lazy guy Last edited by DJcuetip; 03-23-2009 at 01:12 PM.

03-23-2009, 07:32 AM	#14 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 55 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 34	It should be fine as long as you're not doing it for the entire duration of the light. Like do it only when you're ready to take off. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

03-25-2009, 08:07 PM	#15 (permalink)
Crash A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,853 Drives: 02 Corvette Z06 Rep Power: 591	^^ Right. I use the e-brake technique when I'm on a hill in the rain. Rear wheel drive cars are a pain in the *** on huge hills to get going in the rain because the back wheels just spin as soon as you put power to them. I use the e-brake and ease the power to the wheels in that case. __________________ 2002 Corvette Z06 - Totaled 2003 Corvette Z06 50th Anniversary

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03-19-2009, 05:55 PM	#2 (permalink)
Forrest Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: california 707! Posts: 677 Drives: 09 370z Blk 6mt sprt Rep Power: 260	well im spoiled then cuz im learning with SRM and guess what im NOT turning it off haha! When i am "good" at SRM i will turn it off and learn with out. I look at it like this SRM = a stepping stool to learn how to make it easyer, once i get past that i can learn with out it, but for now its a great assistance.

03-19-2009, 11:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
Musashi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: New Jersey Posts: 357 Drives: 09 370Z 6speed Rep Power: 608	first learn how not to stall and take it easy on the clutch kid. SRM has more going on then you can comprehend at this point.

03-24-2009, 10:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
MarcusMIA Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Cap Hill, Seattle, WA Posts: 71 Drives: '14 370Z Blk MT Rep Power: 18	I respect the love for a manual car. I, myself, have never learned to drive manual because there have never been any of those cars around me for me to learn in. I would actually love to to learn how to drive manual. It seems very engaging. That being said, the new Z seems to redefine the difference between the two transmissions as far as performance goes. In a car where the two available transmissions allow delivery of almost IDENTICAL HP/Torque numbers, I don't see how anyone could pick the manual as far as straight up pedal to the metal performance goes. Sure the manual is much more engaging and fun, I can't comment on that. I don't deny that from those that say that. However, in a straight line I'd like to see who would be able to clutch shift faster than the push of a paddle shifter and actually have a faster time, possibly. Those are just some thoughts that have come to my head. My source is 370z.com.

03-25-2009, 10:10 AM	#12 (permalink)
pluckyduck Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Roswell, GA Posts: 20 Drives: 07 Nissan Xterra Rep Power: 18	In my opinion it depends on the situation. Here in the Atlanta area if I'm at a stoplight that I know is going to be at least 2-3 minutes then I keep the car in neutral until I know the light is about to change then I go ahead and engage the clutch a couple of seconds before the light changes. No way am I going to sit there with the clutch in for 3 minutes...