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Explain these numbers: Carrera S vs 370Z

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave I changed my mind. If I had the $$, I'd get an Audi R8 (and I'd keep my Z). If I had even more $$$, I'd

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Old 09-12-2010, 10:49 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I changed my mind. If I had the $$, I'd get an Audi R8 (and I'd keep my Z). If I had even more $$$, I'd get a Lexus LFA (and would give my Z to one of the kids).

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This thread is entertaining. Is this comparison based on price, specs? If it's on price, why not compare it to the base cayman or boxter. Spec wise, a mid engine cayman s is gonna have an advantage over a nose heavy Z. The Carrera is a classic and would love to own one someday.

Upgrades will def even if not scramble the playing field. Just look at how the Speedline RX8 managed to take wins from Porsche in the Am Lemans series. It's useless to compare for the sake of this tread because upgrades will vary greatly.

If we're gonna go off topic and include other cars, the GTR smokes all of the above.
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I guess a lot of people are missing the point because they haven't REALLY driven the p-cars. You know, it's not always about the 1320 times, skid pad numbers, and other data that 90% of us can't even replicate. It's about the experience. I come from an s2000 which undoubtedly has one of the best driving experience of any production car period. It may lack a LOT of power, have comfort features from the 80s, and generate so much road noise you can't carry on a conversation on the fwy, but no doubt it is one fun car to drive aside from a lotus. That is what building sports is all about. The p-cars have that key ingredient that justifies that extra dough. When I drove the 997.5 carrera s with pdk, it literally felt like a dream. I was scratching my head the whole day curious as to how one car can do everything so well. It feels quiet and comfy when you want it to, but when you don't, it feels just as connected and exhilarating if not more than the s2000. The Z does one thing well. The s2000 does the other thing well. But the p-car does everything well. It's really hard to explain how the car feels, but in the end, people buying these cars aren't buying it for the performance numbers. They're buying it for that key ingredient that most manufacturers still haven't figured out.
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But the p-car does everything well. It's really hard to explain how the car feels, but in the end, people buying these cars aren't buying it for the performance numbers. They're buying it for that key ingredient that most manufacturers still haven't figured out.
Well some of them are. And a percentage also buy it for the logo.
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Alas, its the end of the season so I won't have a chance to find and run a Carrera or Cayman S. I'd love to see how I'd match up. Before getting the Z I gave hard thought to a Boxster S. However, I'd be willing to bet that my Z in its current state with a full exhaust and tune with all the carbon fiber, braille battery, etc. will probably provide more of a challenge. Lastly, it cost me a lot less to get my car to its current state than it would have cost to get the Porsche. One oil change would kill my wallet for the Porsche and I would have to save up for a whole year for an aftermarket part.
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270whp on what kind of dyno? Dynojets will be more giving than a Mustang Dyno.
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Just getting back from an autoX today. I'll give the Z one thing for sure. It really is a great balance of a trackday car and an autoX car. You can watch vettes stomp the field on a track day and then be neutered by their high power on an autoX. Conversely, Miatas dominate autoX events and then get their butts whipped on a trackday. The Z can hold its own in both arenas...maybe not top honors, but no embarrassments either.
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With the cost of a Porsche it better perform better. Just buy the best car you can afford and enjoy it, so what if the Porsche is faster. If you owned the Porsche would you be happy if the 370z performed just as well and your money was wasted? Besides, look at all the money you're saving on maintenance and repairs by not owning the Porsche.

If what the Porsche does very well is what you want, then set your sights on owning a Porsche and work towards that goal.

There are also many recent vintage, low mileage, well cared for , Factory Certified used Carrera's available. The price would still be higher than a new Z, but you would be saving a substantial amount of green over a new Porsche. I think that would bring anybody a lot of satisfaction. You'll just have to accept the fact that you're not going to get filet mignon for the price of sirloin.

I own an 09' Infiniti G37S Coupe with man trans, which I love, but my goal is to own a used, but recent Carrera S in the not too distant future.

I test drove an 07' Carrera, not the S, and there is a difference even though my G has some mods.

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So according to Road and Track, theses are the performance stats for the Carrera S, Cayman S, and 370Z. I have trouble figuring out why the Z is so much slower than the other two, particularly the Carrera S. Aside from the benefit of a rear weight bias for the Carrera giving a quicker 0-60 (better rear traction), the 1/4mi times baffle me. Is the 70lbs and 20hp/25tq that significant? All theories welcome...!

Carrera S
355hp
295tq
wt 3295lbs
0-60 4.1s
0-100 10.3s
60-0 111ft
1/4 12.6@111.9

Cayman S
320hp
273tq
wt 3100lbs
0-60 4.6s
0-100 10.6s
60-0 117ft
1/4 12.9@108.8

370Z
332hp
270tq
wt 3360lbs
0-60 5.2s
0-100 12.8s
60-0 115ft
1/4 13.7@103.9
With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
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With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
I think this quarter mile stuff is a crock of ****! Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters! Put them on a road course where they belong, and were made for! Then we will see who wins!
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I think this quarter mile stuff is a crock of ****! Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters! Put them on a road course where they belong, and were made for! Then we will see who wins!
1. They're not Their.
2. The acceleration numbers were brought up by someone else. For the sake of this discussion I brought up my personal experience.
3. I think prius is a pile of sh!t and all its drivers are douchebags yet you always see them on the road and continue seeing them. 1/4 mile is **** of sh!t but people will take any car including Z and the prius to 1/4 mile and see what they do...

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1. They're not Their.
2. The acceleration numbers were brought up by someone else. For the sake of this discussion I brought up my personal experience.
3. I think prius is a pile of sh!t and all its drivers are douchebags yet you always see them on the road and continue seeing them. 1/4 mile is **** of sh!t but people will take any car including Z and the prius to 1/4 mile and see what they do...

Their-possessive pronoun, used before a noun(cars)!

This quarter mile stuff- the car manufacture use, they know that it will influence people to buy their car. A car that is one second, or two seconds faster,BFD!
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With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
I think what you are failing to see is, if the Z numbers are wrong then the porsche numbers are probably wrong too. So do the same for the other cars too and its still the same result.
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With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion.
When you have a high 12 timeslip, you might be right. Until then, documented runs say the 370Z auto is faster than the Cayman S
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