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Cmike2780 09-12-2010 10:11 AM

This thread is entertaining. Is this comparison based on price, specs? If it's on price, why not compare it to the base cayman or boxter. Spec wise, a mid engine cayman s is gonna have an advantage over a nose heavy Z. The Carrera is a classic and would love to own one someday.

Upgrades will def even if not scramble the playing field. Just look at how the Speedline RX8 managed to take wins from Porsche in the Am Lemans series. It's useless to compare for the sake of this tread because upgrades will vary greatly.

If we're gonna go off topic and include other cars, the GTR smokes all of the above.

cptspeed 09-12-2010 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 717680)
The top price for a Z is 47k on the convert. A boxster starts where the Z ends and the cayman is just a few thousand more. Its not a perfect match but an honest comparison,
The flipside is. In spite of the fact. You can get a base Z for thousands less giving u. 2/3 the experience of a porsche. Its still a great car and in the right hands a Z can do the quarter in 13.1 seconds. That's nothin to sneeze at. You can go a lot faster, if you spend the same money and buy a camaro SS or mustang GT, but you lose handling.
The Z has no real comp under 40k anyway. The solstice coupe never happened, plus they were 4 bangers and every other so-called competitor is either a GT or roadster. At the end of the day. Porsche is a semi handbuilt sports car that revoltionizes the sports car arena in some form or fashion every decade. The Z is just trying to mimmick porsche performance at low cost. In my opinion, No Matter What is Said Here In This Thread! Even with all the Z shortfalls, The Z does a pretty good job at showing the lower income crowd how more expensive cars put in work. If you can afford a cayman S and its $200/15,000mi, oil changes. I don't even see why you'd even consider or compare a Z.


Because the cayman looks generic and I happen to enjoy being able to actually work on my car.

G37Sam 09-12-2010 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cptspeed (Post 717699)
I would rather have a car that everyone thinks is slower, and is awed when they find that its not. I also find that its better to have a few different cars than one that I can afford.

You know, the Cayman also has a few mods out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPS5EPipH8

Cmike2780 09-12-2010 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 717676)
And if the Porsche driver did the same upgrades he would still beat the Z. And again the Z is not the best bang for the buck if we are talking speed. A base vette is probably the best bang for the buck for speed stock. What you might need to say say is its the best bang for your buck level. The Z is a nice car but I dont have grand illusions that its the mother of all cars, like vette owners think theirs is. And as far as getting looks, is there always a Porsche next to you when someone is looking and that is how you know you get 2X the looks? Go to downtown Miami and see who will get the girl with their car, the Z or the Porsche. Now Nissan did good with the changes they made for the 370Z as its the best looking one so far IMO and best performing.

Is it really that easy to get a girl in your car. Just buy a Porsche, wait outside a bar in Miami and leave the door open. How does a black van with blacked out windows rate in this comparison. Will my odds increase if I have a mustache?

Zsteve 09-12-2010 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 717707)
Is it really that easy to get a girl in your car. Just buy a Porsche, wait outside a bar in Miami and leave the door open. How does a black van with blacked out windows rate in this comparison. Will my odds increase if I have a mustache?

There is no hope for you, you might as well go buy a hooker.

Zsteve 09-12-2010 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ProfessorDave (Post 717689)
I changed my mind. If I had the $$, I'd get an Audi R8 (and I'd keep my Z). If I had even more $$$, I'd get a Lexus LFA (and would give my Z to one of the kids).

A guy can dream, can't he?!?

yes we can and if we win the lottery then we spend spend spend.

nuts4nissan09 09-12-2010 11:02 AM

What a tool
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by G37Sam (Post 717706)
You know, the Cayman also has a few mods out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMPS5EPipH8

This knucklehead almost bought it when he got on it w/ those low temps. All that power is just unneccessary on the street. If you're that concerned about being showed-up by someone in a faster car, you have problems (inferiority complex). Buy what in the Hell you want and don't worry about some other dudes faster car. There will always be a faster car unless you're rolling in a top-fuel funny car and they don't handle worth a damn. I bought a 370Z and a Frontier 4wd crew cab for less than the price of a Cayman S and do not regret it at all. I prefer the Z's low cost (maintenance/purchase price/repair) over the Porsche. The Cayman S is a wonderful car, just not for me.:shakes head:

Cmike2780 09-12-2010 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 717717)
There is no hope for you, you might as well go buy a hooker.

Dammit! That ruins my plans for next Saturday.

tbonesteak 09-12-2010 01:25 PM

I guess a lot of people are missing the point because they haven't REALLY driven the p-cars. You know, it's not always about the 1320 times, skid pad numbers, and other data that 90% of us can't even replicate. It's about the experience. I come from an s2000 which undoubtedly has one of the best driving experience of any production car period. It may lack a LOT of power, have comfort features from the 80s, and generate so much road noise you can't carry on a conversation on the fwy, but no doubt it is one fun car to drive aside from a lotus. That is what building sports is all about. The p-cars have that key ingredient that justifies that extra dough. When I drove the 997.5 carrera s with pdk, it literally felt like a dream. I was scratching my head the whole day curious as to how one car can do everything so well. It feels quiet and comfy when you want it to, but when you don't, it feels just as connected and exhilarating if not more than the s2000. The Z does one thing well. The s2000 does the other thing well. But the p-car does everything well. It's really hard to explain how the car feels, but in the end, people buying these cars aren't buying it for the performance numbers. They're buying it for that key ingredient that most manufacturers still haven't figured out.

NYBladeZ 09-12-2010 01:33 PM

Alas, its the end of the season so I won't have a chance to find and run a Carrera or Cayman S. I'd love to see how I'd match up. Before getting the Z I gave hard thought to a Boxster S. However, I'd be willing to bet that my Z in its current state with a full exhaust and tune with all the carbon fiber, braille battery, etc. will probably provide more of a challenge. Lastly, it cost me a lot less to get my car to its current state than it would have cost to get the Porsche. One oil change would kill my wallet for the Porsche and I would have to save up for a whole year for an aftermarket part.

dad 09-12-2010 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 717365)
So the Nissan spec sheet lists the Z at 332hp. The stock dynos on this forum are all in the 270-280whp range. But 270 from 332 is a huge difference.

That's horrible!:shakes head:

Zsteve 09-12-2010 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 717724)
Dammit! That ruins my plans for next Saturday.

Hookers work on Sat. LOL. Crusin is always fun.

NYBladeZ 09-12-2010 04:43 PM

270whp on what kind of dyno? Dynojets will be more giving than a Mustang Dyno.

spearfish25 09-12-2010 05:10 PM

Just getting back from an autoX today. I'll give the Z one thing for sure. It really is a great balance of a trackday car and an autoX car. You can watch vettes stomp the field on a track day and then be neutered by their high power on an autoX. Conversely, Miatas dominate autoX events and then get their butts whipped on a trackday. The Z can hold its own in both arenas...maybe not top honors, but no embarrassments either.

iwasgointo 09-12-2010 06:25 PM

With the cost of a Porsche it better perform better. Just buy the best car you can afford and enjoy it, so what if the Porsche is faster. If you owned the Porsche would you be happy if the 370z performed just as well and your money was wasted? Besides, look at all the money you're saving on maintenance and repairs by not owning the Porsche.

If what the Porsche does very well is what you want, then set your sights on owning a Porsche and work towards that goal.

There are also many recent vintage, low mileage, well cared for , Factory Certified used Carrera's available. The price would still be higher than a new Z, but you would be saving a substantial amount of green over a new Porsche. I think that would bring anybody a lot of satisfaction. You'll just have to accept the fact that you're not going to get filet mignon for the price of sirloin.

I own an 09' Infiniti G37S Coupe with man trans, which I love, but my goal is to own a used, but recent Carrera S in the not too distant future.

I test drove an 07' Carrera, not the S, and there is a difference even though my G has some mods.

iwasgointo 09-12-2010 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cptspeed (Post 717702)
Because the cayman looks generic and I happen to enjoy being able to actually work on my car.

The Cayman looks generic? What else looks like it other than another Porsche?

Zsteve 09-12-2010 10:32 PM

JD Powers gives the 370Z 6 out of 10 and the Porsche 8 out of 10 so I dont know where you are getting that it needs more repairs than the Z.

And the Porsche is meant for older business men who want speed quality style class and dont want to look or sound like the younger need for speed guys. Trust me Evanna Trumo isnt going to get in your Z when there is a Porsche around too.

rebe945 09-12-2010 10:48 PM

Z doing a 4.6
 
I have a report that the Z did a 4.6 60 using the automatic tranny. It all depends on many conditions.

Zsteve 09-12-2010 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rebe945 (Post 718348)
I have a report that the Z did a 4.6 60 using the automatic tranny. It all depends on many conditions.

true that

nuTinmuch 09-13-2010 11:58 AM

I love how women are objectified as prizes to be won when you drive up in a car. Car forums are literally the best.

spearfish25 09-13-2010 12:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 719023)
I love how women are objectified as prizes to be won when you drive up in a car. Car forums are literally the best.

Wait, women aren't objects or prizes? I beg to differ...in Kazakhstan, if a woman will not give herself to you....YOU TAKE HER! NNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCEEEEE

m4a1mustang 09-13-2010 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 719046)
Wait, women aren't objects or prizes? I beg to differ...in Kazakhstan, if a woman will not give herself to you....YOU TAKE HER! NNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCEEEEE

:icon18:

Zsteve 09-13-2010 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 719023)
I love how women are objectified as prizes to be won when you drive up in a car. Car forums are literally the best.

actually we are trying to be the prize by swaying them to get into our cars.

nuTinmuch 09-13-2010 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 719046)
Wait, women aren't objects or prizes? I beg to differ...in Kazakhstan, if a woman will not give herself to you....YOU TAKE HER! NNNNNNIIIIIIIIIIIIICCCCCCEEEEE

Loose like sleeve of wizard.

Red__Zed 09-13-2010 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 719187)
Loose like sleeve of wizard.

:inoutroflpuke::inoutroflpuke:

klubbheads 09-13-2010 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25 (Post 717148)
So according to Road and Track, theses are the performance stats for the Carrera S, Cayman S, and 370Z. I have trouble figuring out why the Z is so much slower than the other two, particularly the Carrera S. Aside from the benefit of a rear weight bias for the Carrera giving a quicker 0-60 (better rear traction), the 1/4mi times baffle me. Is the 70lbs and 20hp/25tq that significant? All theories welcome...!

Carrera S
355hp
295tq
wt 3295lbs
0-60 4.1s
0-100 10.3s
60-0 111ft
1/4 12.6@111.9

Cayman S
320hp
273tq
wt 3100lbs
0-60 4.6s
0-100 10.6s
60-0 117ft
1/4 12.9@108.8

370Z
332hp
270tq
wt 3360lbs
0-60 5.2s
0-100 12.8s
60-0 115ft
1/4 13.7@103.9

With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion. :rolleyes:

daleks 09-13-2010 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 719023)
I love how women are objectified as prizes to be won when you drive up in a car. Car forums are literally the best.

I think anyone with a vaguely nice car quickly learns that the guy to girl attraction ratio is 100:1.

Red__Zed 09-13-2010 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klubbheads (Post 719334)
With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion. :rolleyes:


That's a pretty unimpressive 6ft time there....:rofl2:
Quote:

Originally Posted by daleks (Post 719424)
I think anyone with a vaguely nice car quickly learns that the guy to girl attraction ratio is 100:1.

true story. The more you mod, the worse that ratio gets, too.

klubbheads 09-13-2010 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanGizinski (Post 719454)
That's a pretty unimpressive 6ft time there....:rofl2:


true story. The more you mod, the worse that ratio gets, too.

yup. Only got 3 runs within 9 hours.....

iwasgointo 09-13-2010 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanGizinski (Post 719454)
That's a pretty unimpressive 6ft time there....:rofl2:


true story. The more you mod, the worse that ratio gets, too.

You are so right. The heavily modified Z drives away any classy babes, while the unmodified Porsche will pull them in like a magnet.

These women know the modified Z is owned by a kid who doesn't know when to stop. Plus, doing all the expensive mods has left him with very little cash to blow on her.

And of course, she knows if he had any real dough he'd be driving a Porsche.

dad 09-13-2010 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klubbheads (Post 719334)
With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion. :rolleyes:

I think this quarter mile stuff is a crock of ****! Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters! Put them on a road course where they belong, and were made for! Then we will see who wins!

dad 09-13-2010 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iwasgointo (Post 719479)
You are so right. The heavily modified Z drives away any classy babes, while the unmodified Porsche will pull them in like a magnet.

These women know the modified Z is owned by a kid who doesn't know when to stop. Plus, doing all the expensive mods has left him with very little cash to blow on her.

She knows if he had any real dough he'd be driving a Porsche.

Got that right! Rep point!

klubbheads 09-13-2010 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 719482)
I think this quarter mile stuff is a crock of ****! Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters! Put them on a road course where they belong, and were made for! Then we will see who wins!

1. They're not Their.
2. The acceleration numbers were brought up by someone else. For the sake of this discussion I brought up my personal experience.
3. I think prius is a pile of sh!t and all its drivers are douchebags yet you always see them on the road and continue seeing them. 1/4 mile is **** of sh!t but people will take any car including Z and the prius to 1/4 mile and see what they do...

:ugh2:

dad 09-13-2010 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klubbheads (Post 719488)
1. They're not Their.
2. The acceleration numbers were brought up by someone else. For the sake of this discussion I brought up my personal experience.
3. I think prius is a pile of sh!t and all its drivers are douchebags yet you always see them on the road and continue seeing them. 1/4 mile is **** of sh!t but people will take any car including Z and the prius to 1/4 mile and see what they do...

:ugh2:

Their-possessive pronoun, used before a noun(cars)!

This quarter mile stuff- the car manufacture use, they know that it will influence people to buy their car. A car that is one second, or two seconds faster,BFD!

daleks 09-13-2010 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 719520)
Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters!

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 719520)
Their-possessive pronoun, used before a noun(cars)!

No.

Zsteve 09-13-2010 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klubbheads (Post 719334)
With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion. :rolleyes:

I think what you are failing to see is, if the Z numbers are wrong then the porsche numbers are probably wrong too. So do the same for the other cars too and its still the same result.

wilsonp 09-13-2010 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by klubbheads (Post 719334)
With only 1300 miles on my Z i did 13.8 @ 103mph with 2.56 6ft time and hitting the rev lmiter on 2nd gear with 1500 DA that day/time. This concludes that the numbers for Z are bogus. Just lower the 60ft time to 1.90-2.09 and you got 108mph trap speed and high 13.00 and even high 12 run....

The reality is the cayman and the Z have similar numbers all across the board.....

Not sure if this thread needs more discussion. :rolleyes:

When you have a high 12 timeslip, you might be right. Until then, documented runs say the 370Z auto is faster than the Cayman S :D

dad 09-13-2010 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daleks (Post 719527)
No.

Care to explain?

370Zsteve 09-13-2010 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbonesteak (Post 717814)
But the p-car does everything well. It's really hard to explain how the car feels, but in the end, people buying these cars aren't buying it for the performance numbers. They're buying it for that key ingredient that most manufacturers still haven't figured out.

Well some of them are. And a percentage also buy it for the logo.

daleks 09-13-2010 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dad (Post 719556)
Care to explain?

"Their GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters!"

This may also be read as: They are GT cars, or sports cars, not dragsters!

Perhaps you meant: Their cars are GT cars, or Sports cars, not dragsters!

This is the370z.com though not theGrammarZone.com so I'll just be quite.


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