Stick or Automatic

kenchan · 07-09-2010, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

I realize that, however with the cost of new wheels, LSD and much needed upgrades to the stock akebono's, i figured id just save my duckets on the car purchase as i really didn't feel i needed SRM and ill be upgrading all of the above. I think its great that our cars are pushing new technology though!

yah, i didnt buy the MT for its SRM either. i heel/toe myself too... but i did like the Sport wheels and the brakes and rear spoiler and the front air dam and didnt want leather seats (my G has leather so didnt want two of the same) so the base + sport was perfect for me.

Jordo! · 07-09-2010, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PapoZalsa

I will never buy an automatic Sport Car!

Well... do you feel the same way about dual-clutch manuals that lack a clutch pedal? If so, you'd have to pass on a GT-R or LFA too.

I appreciate your enjoyment of the unique qualia associated with operating a tradtional manual transmission set-up -- but that design is going to be all but gone in about 10-15 years, and is already not available on any high-end sports cars.

kenchan · 07-09-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Well... do you feel the same way about dual-clutch manuals that lack a clutch pedal? If so, you'd have to pass on a GT-R or LFA too.

For me, yep. If the GT-R came with a 6MT I wouldve gotten one.

theDreamer · 07-09-2010, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

Well... do you feel the same way about dual-clutch manuals that lack a clutch pedal? If so, you'd have to pass on a GT-R or LFA too.

I appreciate your enjoyment of the unique qualia associated with operating a tradtional manual transmission set-up -- but that design is going to be all but gone in about 10-15 years, and is already not available on any high-end sports cars.

Actually the LFA is a single clutch transmission.
I have no qualms with good automatic transmission, and the 370z 7AT is a very good step but even after a test drive it was "lacking" compared to the 6MT that is offered. Now bring the double clutch from the GT-R over and it might be a different story.

Jordo! · 07-09-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

Actually the LFA is a single clutch transmission.
I have no qualms with good automatic transmission, and the 370z 7AT is a very good step but even after a test drive it was "lacking" compared to the 6MT that is offered. Now bring the double clutch from the GT-R over and it might be a different story.

Hmm. I didn't know that about the LFA...

Fair enough -- they're coming

Zsteve · 07-09-2010, 11:17 PM

I like to feel so connected to my car that I tell the dealership to take away the auto windows and locks so I can feel them when I roll them up and down and lock and unlock the doors. LOL. Its all preference and this will be a never ending discussion, until they stop making manuals that is.

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-09-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Nitex

Agreed but.. if something should happen to your AT tranny and it needed repair/replacing that's going to be costly.

That was generally my logic. And not only that, but the 7at is not known for holding more than 450rwhp while the manual I think can hold 100+ more hp, if I'm not mistaken. Though I prefer the auto, when modding the manual makes better sense IMO

Zsteve · 07-09-2010, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That was generally my logic. And not only that, but the 7at is not known for holding more than 450rwhp while the manual I think can hold 100+ more hp, if I'm not mistaken. Though I prefer the auto, when modding the manual makes better sense IMO

I think the ATs transmission holds up better than the clutches and all in manuals. Nissan should just go ahead and put the DSG in the Z too and make it shift even faster.

Trips · 07-10-2010, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve

I think the ATs transmission holds up better than the clutches and all in manuals. Nissan should just go ahead and put the DSG in the Z too and make it shift even faster.

kevr6 · 07-10-2010, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by frost

You know, that car that's faster than yours ...

I've read this thread and have to laugh!! First the 7AT is NOT a faster car then our manual cars!!!! (especially ones' with short shifters!)

Folks are getting confused with the write ups for the DSG (Dual Clutch) transmission cars that are out which act like Automatics but are truely clutch type trannys without a pedal!

Those vehicles (DSG) are quicker then a human driver with a manual. To date any traditional torque converter automatic is still slower then a manual.

Also who wants to hear the torque converter sound with a tuned exhaust??? Sounds like crap!! Cracks me up when folks go buy an exhaust and then post a video on Youtube and then it ends up being an automatic! If your an old man/woman in your twilight years with a hip problem then yes, you need an "automatic". A true sports car requires a clutch with or without human control!!

Also the comment about reliability, Bull!! If you know how to drive a stick it'll last for very high miles!!(I've done 150k on an original clutch on past cars) If there is a problem you can always rebuild depending on what failed. You can't do that with an automatic (in most cases). You generally will need an entire transmision if there is a problem which will cost a whole lot more! It's a definate an automatic trans will go with higher miles also, especially when mated to a performace engine!

I can't stand all the kids out there with there automatic Hondas and such with those big can exhaust pumping that loud torque converter noise!

One more thing, The DSG is an Audi/VW creation that has since been copied by Nissan, BMW, Porsche, etc...let's keep it real!

To review:

Automatic w/ Torque Converter = Bad! (Please do not put an exhaust on it)
Dual Clutch Transmission = OK, fast!! Race Car Tech!
Manual Transmission = Good! Tradition!! Skill!! Fun!!

LOL...How's that for beating around the bush!!

(Notice the ICON shifting!)

Vegitto-kun · 07-10-2010, 08:53 AM

oh shi. I ordered the FI exhaust.

I would of gotten the MT but 6000 euro(around 7000 bucks?) less and no 3 month waiting time made me pick the AT

Zsteve · 07-10-2010, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kevr6

I've read this thread and have to laugh!! First the 7AT is NOT a faster car then our manual cars!!!! (especially ones' with short shifters!)

Folks are getting confused with the write ups for the DSG (Dual Clutch) transmission cars that are out which act like Automatics but are truely clutch type trannys without a pedal!

Those vehicles (DSG) are quicker then a human driver with a manual. To date any traditional torque converter automatic is still slower then a manual.

Also who wants to hear the torque converter sound with a tuned exhaust??? Sounds like crap!! Cracks me up when folks go buy an exhaust and then post a video on Youtube and then it ends up being an automatic! If your an old man/woman in your twilight years with a hip problem then yes, you need an "automatic". A true sports car requires a clutch with or without human control!!

Also the comment about reliability, Bull!! If you know how to drive a stick it'll last for very high miles!!(I've done 150k on an original clutch on past cars) If there is a problem you can always rebuild depending on what failed. You can't do that with an automatic (in most cases). You generally will need an entire transmision if there is a problem which will cost a whole lot more! It's a definate an automatic trans will go with higher miles also, especially when mated to a performace engine!

I can't stand all the kids out there with there automatic Hondas and such with those big can exhaust pumping that loud torque converter noise!

One more thing, The DSG is an Audi/VW creation that has since been copied by Nissan, BMW, Porsche, etc...let's keep it real!

To review:

Automatic w/ Torque Converter = Bad! (Please do not put an exhaust on it)
Dual Clutch Transmission = OK, fast!! Race Car Tech!
Manual Transmission = Good! Tradition!! Skill!! Fun!!

LOL...How's that for beating around the bush!!

(Notice the ICON shifting!)

I think we all know if you are a super car race driver you can shift fast too and that if you take care of your car it will last and that dsg is on the audis, I had 2. But not everyone is the super race driver and not everyone shifts perfect and a dual clutch on any car is keeping it real. Im for real man.

Manual locks and windows were traditional too, you still use those.

Soygen · 07-10-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Vegitto-kun

oh shi. I ordered the FI exhaust.

I would of gotten the MT but 6000 euro(around 7000 bucks?) less and no 3 month waiting time made me pick the AT

The manual was more expensive?! Say wha?

I'll be honest. I wanted the 40th Anni and if it came in auto, I may have bought the automatic. The automatic on the 370z has some pretty good reviews and traffic can be brutal in south Florida. That said, I don't regret my choice at all and I'm always reminded of that when I fly through the gears or drop a gear and let out the clutch in a turn. There's something to be said about those motions and connection with the car

kevr6 · 07-10-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Soygen

The manual was more expensive?! Say wha?

I'll be honest. I wanted the 40th Anni and if it came in auto, I may have bought the automatic. The automatic on the 370z has some pretty good reviews and traffic can be brutal in south Florida. That said, I don't regret my choice at all and I'm always reminded of that when I fly through the gears or drop a gear and let out the clutch in a turn. There's something to be said about those motions and connection with the car

That's a different reason to pick a car and makes sense!

Trips · 07-10-2010, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kevr6

I've read this thread and have to laugh!! First the 7AT is NOT a faster car then our manual cars!!!! (especially ones' with short shifters!)

Folks are getting confused with the write ups for the DSG (Dual Clutch) transmission cars that are out which act like Automatics but are truely clutch type trannys without a pedal!

Those vehicles (DSG) are quicker then a human driver with a manual. To date any traditional torque converter automatic is still slower then a manual.

Also who wants to hear the torque converter sound with a tuned exhaust??? Sounds like crap!! Cracks me up when folks go buy an exhaust and then post a video on Youtube and then it ends up being an automatic! If your an old man/woman in your twilight years with a hip problem then yes, you need an "automatic". A true sports car requires a clutch with or without human control!!

Also the comment about reliability, Bull!! If you know how to drive a stick it'll last for very high miles!!(I've done 150k on an original clutch on past cars) If there is a problem you can always rebuild depending on what failed. You can't do that with an automatic (in most cases). You generally will need an entire transmision if there is a problem which will cost a whole lot more! It's a definate an automatic trans will go with higher miles also, especially when mated to a performace engine!

I can't stand all the kids out there with there automatic Hondas and such with those big can exhaust pumping that loud torque converter noise!

One more thing, The DSG is an Audi/VW creation that has since been copied by Nissan, BMW, Porsche, etc...let's keep it real!

To review:

Automatic w/ Torque Converter = Bad! (Please do not put an exhaust on it)
Dual Clutch Transmission = OK, fast!! Race Car Tech!
Manual Transmission = Good! Tradition!! Skill!! Fun!!

LOL...How's that for beating around the bush!!

(Notice the ICON shifting!)

You're a work of Art!

Let me see? can you read my earlier Post?

07-09-2010, 11:17 PM	#66 (permalink)
Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TX Posts: 3,298 Drives: the 2 balled club Rep Power: 21	I like to feel so connected to my car that I tell the dealership to take away the auto windows and locks so I can feel them when I roll them up and down and lock and unlock the doors. LOL. Its all preference and this will be a never ending discussion, until they stop making manuals that is. __________________ 2010 LS3 C6 Silver coupe corvette

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Vegitto-kun A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: USA Posts: 2,011 Drives: 09 370Z Rep Power: 262	oh shi. I ordered the FI exhaust. I would of gotten the MT but 6000 euro(around 7000 bucks?) less and no 3 month waiting time made me pick the AT