Question on trade back my auto Z to a manual

Red370 · 05-14-2010, 12:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuckd05

6M for me, forever, as long as its a sports car

I wouldn't trade it in, maybe sell privately and try to snag a good deal on a left over 09

^^^ BTW, an Auto isnt the only 12 second 370 now.

Dan37TZ · 05-14-2010, 01:03 AM

Exotics use automated manuals, usually with a dual clutch setup. I think some early Ferrari's and BMW's SMG uses single clutch units.

NOTHING like the torque converter setup in the 370Z auto. Design and function wise they are COMPLETELY different. The Z's auto is the same concept as any other automatic in your typical accord or camry, with the exception of an extra gear or two and some extra tricks like rev match on downshift. Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect. A manual owner puts it in whatever gear he want directly..instantly. Sure the 7AT is slightly faster in a straight line because you can launch better(loading the torque converter), I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you.

My 335i has a ZF 6spd steptronic paddle shift AT, also with rev match, and one of the fastest shift, only second to the IS-F. I purchased my 335i in AT because in the 135/335i form it's also slightly faster than the manual counterpart. First couple months I told myself, hey this could work, I don't really miss manual since this is an EXCELLENT automatic. After a year of owning it I was ready to tear my hair out. I would absolutely say one of the most enjoyable and satisfying part of sports car or sports sedan ownership is driving it with a manual, it just feels so incredibly dull with an automatic. ESPECIALLY in a true sports car like the 370Z.

Jonathan Vach · 05-14-2010, 01:10 AM

well i talk to a dealer today and i may have to pay around 7000 USD out of my pocket to get the exact same car! I put 15000 for this car and i still own around 28,000 USD....my first bill aint even here yet!

Pushing_Tin · 05-14-2010, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonathan Vach

well i talk to a dealer today and i may have to pay around 7000 USD out of my pocket to get the exact same car! I put 15000 for this car and i still own around 28,000 USD....my first bill aint even here yet!

Unless you have a lot of money to waste keep your car. If you must have the 6MT sell your Z private party for a lot more than the dealer will give you.
I love my 6MT btw.

Chriz · 05-14-2010, 04:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect.

I'm pretty sure im in control when driving my AT thank you very much. The car never hunts for gears or downshifts randomly whenever in maunal mode. (Unless you rpms drop to low). In regular mode it honestly isnt an issue for me, I never notice it. The car responds very quickly when downshifting. Multiple downshifts are still fast enough to cope with the braking when going into the corner to keep the car high in the rpms.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you.

False

Anyway OP i agree with the general consensus here, dont sell!

kannibul · 05-14-2010, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan37TZ

Exotics use automated manuals, usually with a dual clutch setup. I think some early Ferrari's and BMW's SMG uses single clutch units.

NOTHING like the torque converter setup in the 370Z auto. Design and function wise they are COMPLETELY different. The Z's auto is the same concept as any other automatic in your typical accord or camry, with the exception of an extra gear or two and some extra tricks like rev match on downshift. Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect. A manual owner puts it in whatever gear he want directly..instantly. Sure the 7AT is slightly faster in a straight line because you can launch better(loading the torque converter), I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you.

My 335i has a ZF 6spd steptronic paddle shift AT, also with rev match, and one of the fastest shift, only second to the IS-F. I purchased my 335i in AT because in the 135/335i form it's also slightly faster than the manual counterpart. First couple months I told myself, hey this could work, I don't really miss manual since this is an EXCELLENT automatic. After a year of owning it I was ready to tear my hair out. I would absolutely say one of the most enjoyable and satisfying part of sports car or sports sedan ownership is driving it with a manual, it just feels so incredibly dull with an automatic. ESPECIALLY in a true sports car like the 370Z.

I don't think anyone is trying to make that comparison (manual with automated shifting system)

Personally, I'd like to swap it for a 6MT - but part of me wonders if I could swap transmissions and get the parts needed, for less than depreciation, especially if you consider what the 7AT would "sell" for to the right buyer.

sonic370 · 05-15-2010, 07:39 PM

All i will say is this i have owned both and to each his own. the good news
is both the 7at and 6mt are attached to a 370z!!! so i'm not complaining
either way.

05-14-2010, 01:03 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dan37TZ Base Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Southern California Posts: 59 Drives: A Red Nissan Rep Power: 16	Exotics use automated manuals, usually with a dual clutch setup. I think some early Ferrari's and BMW's SMG uses single clutch units. NOTHING like the torque converter setup in the 370Z auto. Design and function wise they are COMPLETELY different. The Z's auto is the same concept as any other automatic in your typical accord or camry, with the exception of an extra gear or two and some extra tricks like rev match on downshift. Still uses a torque converter, still delay no matter how much you AT guys want to deny it when queuing an upshift or downshift. You're not in control, the Z's 7spd Auto sometimes has to hunt for gears and randomly downshifts multiple times ect. when you put the pedal down just to get to the right gear. When an AT owner approaches a corner he/she has to frantically pull the paddle and wait for the car to respond to the multiple downshifts ect. A manual owner puts it in whatever gear he want directly..instantly. Sure the 7AT is slightly faster in a straight line because you can launch better(loading the torque converter), I think the Z's auto slips all 1st and locks up in 2nd, there is no human error involved... since the car shifts for you. My 335i has a ZF 6spd steptronic paddle shift AT, also with rev match, and one of the fastest shift, only second to the IS-F. I purchased my 335i in AT because in the 135/335i form it's also slightly faster than the manual counterpart. First couple months I told myself, hey this could work, I don't really miss manual since this is an EXCELLENT automatic. After a year of owning it I was ready to tear my hair out. I would absolutely say one of the most enjoyable and satisfying part of sports car or sports sedan ownership is driving it with a manual, it just feels so incredibly dull with an automatic. ESPECIALLY in a true sports car like the 370Z. Last edited by Dan37TZ; 05-14-2010 at 01:17 AM.

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05-14-2010, 01:10 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jonathan Vach Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: seattle Posts: 290 Drives: Nissan 370Z Rep Power: 16	well i talk to a dealer today and i may have to pay around 7000 USD out of my pocket to get the exact same car! I put 15000 for this car and i still own around 28,000 USD....my first bill aint even here yet!

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sonic370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: Orange Texas Posts: 1,574 Drives: 09 370Z Sports PGK Rep Power: 19	All i will say is this i have owned both and to each his own. the good news is both the 7at and 6mt are attached to a 370z!!! so i'm not complaining either way.