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jabrother 05-04-2010 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rj45 (Post 522806)
If this is indeed the reality, then Nissan should fix the design flaw, no question.

Although, exclusive of this Car and Driver/Nismo mishap, I don't remember reading a Z road test/comparison test that panned the car's brakes. Not saying these mags are the authority, but Id think one of them would have mentioned unusually bad brake fade/performance during testing.

Bottom line, though, if the Z's basic brake design/setup is a proven safety issue, the manufacturer should step up.

The G37 S has been mentioned to have bad brake fade and it has the same braking system. Seen it in R&T and C&D.

Mike 05-04-2010 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 524784)
Valvoline synthetic was a DOT 4+ good for 502 dry, it was the best stuff you could find at crappy parts stores like AutoZone and actually it wasn't bad.

They don't make it anymore.

what he said, it was pretty good stuff for the price. And, when AMLS driver Shields Bergstrom did get my corvette fluid to boil a little, the car still braked for the remainder of the lap, and even when I drove it back to my paddock, nothing like the Z's total brake failure.

The good thing is, noone will ever get this problem on the street, at least if they aren't breaking about 20 laws at the time.

semtex 05-04-2010 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 524938)
The good thing is, noone will ever get this problem on the street, at least if they aren't breaking about 20 laws at the time.

It's only a matter of time before we see a post from a Nismo owner complaining that he crashed into a curb while practicing his drift moves and blaming it on brake fade. :rolleyes:

MightyBobo 05-04-2010 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike (Post 524782)
Bobo, I always successfully ran hp+ on the last two cars with no problems until right before I got rid of the vette when an alms driver took me for a ride and they just started to fadewith h driving after 20 minutes. I didn't
like stock pads on the rear either, but they didn't com e in on time for that event

Ahhhh, gotcha - I know you were in the track game earlier than I was, so I understand.

I probably wouldnt worry a lot about running HP+ on a 'Vette - their brake system is so much better. This car...needs band aids :(

Mike 05-05-2010 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 525255)
Ahhhh, gotcha - I know you were in the track game earlier than I was, so I understand.

I probably wouldnt worry a lot about running HP+ on a 'Vette - their brake system is so much better. This car...needs band aids :(

as I quickly found out! The car had 1500 street miles on it at the time, so the pads were as new. No pads should wear completely to the backing plates in only 20 minutes on any track.

klubbheads 05-05-2010 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 525151)
It's only a matter of time before we see a post from a Nismo owner complaining that he crashed into a curb while practicing his drift moves and blaming it on brake fade. :rolleyes:

No need to practice.... If you ever slided a car before, then Z is the easiest car to "drift". If you crash a Z, you're stupid and should not be allowed to drive over the speed limit ever again in your life, I have driven lots of cars and this is one of the easiest cars to push to its limits. I am sure stupid kids at some point will crash and blame it on brakes.... Happens with every car and every forum.

BTW what’s this animosity towards nismo owners?

theDreamer 05-05-2010 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by klubbheads (Post 525760)
BTW what’s this animosity towards nismo owners?

To quickly answer this without going OT to much, so far the Nismo crashes (reported on the forum) have been from owners attempting dangerous driving abilities while on the street, be it drifting, street racing, etc.

On the brakes, great discussion guys, looking forward to what some vendors can come up with to help you guys out who track their car(s).

klubbheads 05-05-2010 10:55 AM

^thanks...

scruffydog 05-05-2010 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by weeeee (Post 520699)
I'm actually working on making a good DIY on brake ducting for the Nismo. I'll post results soon :)

it'd better not be cutting 2 holes in that bumper of urs :p just kidding

shadoquad 05-05-2010 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by tjlazer (Post 523286)
Do aftermarket BBKs like Brembo, Stop Tech, etc have this brake problem on the 370Z?

Don't know if anyone else answered this already, but according to the C&D article, it doesn't matter what brakes you're using. The problem is a matter of overheating, in their judgment, although it seems this is mainly an issue if you're putting your Z on a track.

The solution would be some sort of brake cooling modification. Tuners like Stillen may offer an answer via body panels that properly vent the brakes. The stock body panels focus more on aerodynamics for the purpose of fuel economy, but this leads to excessive heat build-up in heavy braking.

That's what I got from the article and this thread, anyway.

Mike 05-05-2010 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 525931)
Don't know if anyone else answered this already, but according to the C&D article, it doesn't matter what brakes you're using. The problem is a matter of overheating, in their judgment, although it seems this is mainly an issue if you're putting your Z on a track.

The solution would be some sort of brake cooling modification. Tuners like Stillen may offer an answer via body panels that properly vent the brakes. The stock body panels focus more on aerodynamics for the purpose of fuel economy, but this leads to excessive heat build-up in heavy braking.

That's what I got from the article and this thread, anyway.

Kind of, but the added mass of my brembo gt calipers does allow me to do a full 30 minute session with no problems. I don't know how much longer than 30 they would last though, but 30 is enough

ZKindaGuy 05-06-2010 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 522714)
One thing though... when you walk into a nissan dealership looking at Z's dealers love talking about the nismo, they Love stressing its track readiness. So I would have to agree that nissan is misleading.....

Nissan "the dealer" is NOT the same as Nissan "the manufacturer". You cannot indict the manufacturer for a "sales-pitch" made by the dealership. The dealerships buys the cars from Nissan, the manufacturer. The dealersships are customers to Nissan the manufacturer just as the person who buys the car from the dealership is the customer of the dealership.

So if the dealerships love talking up the Nismo as a "track ready" vehicle, that is a sales-pitch which needs to be sorted out and distinguished by the person who is interested in buying the car from that dealership.

So Nissan the manufacturer is NOT being misleading...the dealership who sells Nissan cars is being misleading.

Joehand1 05-11-2010 08:11 PM

I'm heading to Barber in June for a couple of track days.

Because I value my life, I'm taking my 1987 911 and leaving my 370 Sport Package in the driveway.

Maybe the Z would be OK, but I just don't trust it on the track.

The 911 is relatively slow, but it's bullet proof and the brakes never fade.

jabrother 05-12-2010 04:42 PM

Can't say that I blame you there!! At least til you get a pad and fluid upgrade in the 370.

James

08 G37
09 Miata
96 240sx
00 Boxster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joehand1 (Post 533852)
I'm heading to Barber in June for a couple of track days.

Because I value my life, I'm taking my 1987 911 and leaving my 370 Sport Package in the driveway.

Maybe the Z would be OK, but I just don't trust it on the track.

The 911 is relatively slow, but it's bullet proof and the brakes never fade.


kenchan 05-12-2010 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joehand1 (Post 533852)

Because I value my life, I'm taking my 1987 911 and leaving my 370 Sport Package in the driveway.

the 911 doesn't run?


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