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Although, exclusive of this Car and Driver/Nismo mishap, I don't remember reading a Z road test/comparison test that panned the car's brakes. Not saying these mags are the authority, but Id think one of them would have mentioned unusually bad brake fade/performance during testing. Bottom line, though, if the Z's basic brake design/setup is a proven safety issue, the manufacturer should step up. |
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Source: Nissanusa.com Purpose-built and passionately engineered, the NISMO 370Z™ features race-bred, factory-tuned, extreme Nissan performance parts and accessories. ____________________ Also, Nissan never repudiated many mags, blogs, etc that were referring to the car as "track-ready". On a Google search of "Nismo 370Z track ready", I came up with tons of links. |
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There was a Nismo Frontier - are you suggesting (in a sense) that the Nismo Frontier is track-ready? Just sayin... Also, in your $3K upgrade, you're forgetting VLSD and Synchro-Rev Match. |
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Think of another main point - the Z shares it's platform (ie, the drivetrain, suspension, dimensions, etc) with the G37 - not exactly what I would think of as a race car. Again, I - no matter who says what...would never take the Z in stock trim (nismo or not) to a track and instantly start doing "Lightning Laps", time trials or whatever, without doing a number of test runs and practice to get a feel for the car so I don't end up in a wall. C&D made a point in their follow-up article to state right up front that it wasn't a talent issue - really? How much experience did that driver have with the Z? Why didn't the driver pickup on the fade that was clearly documented by C&D with later testing? Again, the Nismo, or the Z in general - is not a race car - it's a sports car. It's mean for people who enjoy more power and performance than the average car...you add a helping of luxery and comfort, and you have the G37... |
Do aftermarket BBKs like Brembo, Stop Tech, etc have this brake problem on the 370Z?
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Either that, or something else happened which tossed the car off to the wall, other than just the brakes failing - entered too fast, catastrophic loss of traction, etc... There's no reason that brakes would go from great to piss poor in the space of 1 turn. Maybe the pads were already worn down and they just melted off the remaining brake material... |
I have some questions, a bit noob so please forgive me.
1. The area between the fangs and the normal part of the bumper for the normal z is blocked up... could this not be modified to allow the air through on to the brakes? When I first saw the pics on the internet I thought that was what they were for... 2. If the sports brakes die so quickly, how much quicker would the non sports brakes die? Is the sports brakes on the z just for show to give the car larger rotors or is their a tangible benefit of having these large rotors? 3. Normal cars, the everyday camry or sonata or altima... how quickly will these brakes die if put through the same abuse? Are we talking 2 100-0mph stops and they're done? I'll be reasonably sad if our sports brakes are just for show and don't really had a tangible safety/performance benefit. They do have great brake feel though... |
All this panic.... wow.
I would love to hear someone that actually tracked the car hard nismo or not with sports package. If you have i'm assuming you did have hi temp fluid, steel braded lines, and race pads because that is what you would do to any car that goes to the track let it be a vette or a toyota camry. If anyone falls into this category then you are welcome to give your input here. The rest of the thread is full of panic and assumption based on an article that was published to justify the stupidity of the test driver that failed to realise that brakes are fading i better slow the fvck down..... |
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Many of the harder drivers here have experienced the problem, and no there is none of the typical fade warnings before you get there. |
How difficult is adding brake cooling duct-work?
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Pushing air into the wheel well area would also help. |
First - I track mine for the fun of it and thrill- (NASA HPDE) and do NOT consider what I do as racing and do not plan on brining it to that level. So in my case when I did Limerock CN (4- 20 min sesions) with Stock Sport Brakes they were OK - nothing scary or no panic- my best lap was about 1:10 typical 1:15, top speed front straight ~ 130-35. Brakes worked consistent and never felt any significant fade- I was comfortable with the brakes but I did get some juddering under heavy brake on the front straight. I have pulled all pads and the wear was probably ~ 20-25% so still had a good 75% left. So all in all for "sport" track use it was acceptable and did feel safe and predictable- but yes all got very hot.
As I plan on a few more events- I figured what the heck might as well do some modest upgrades- SS Lines, Hawk HP+, Super Blue Fluid- so will compare to stock when I do Monticello in June- as I am not hard core racing this set up should be just fine. |
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