It's called Dopamine and reward pathways. LOL Thats why you like it so much. :happydance:

42% increase in taxes last May on cigs was just the increase, not the total tax. And I don't think 200k is the average lifespan of a car, among other things wrong with the math here. But let's just say for argument's sake that the numbers are equal. All that says to me is don't raise the tax on cigs again.

Heck, you still get to drive your two ton machine of death anywhere you please. The same can't be said for smoking. Maybe I should pay less taxes...I mean, it's only fair. Your driving habit costs a heck of a lot more per year as my smoking habit...if you're truly worried about the costs.


Car Crash Stats: There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.



Smoking Deaths Cost U.S. $92 Billion a Year
Total costs, including health care, more than $167 billion yearly
The new lost productivity estimate when combined with smoking-related health care costs, which was reported at $75.5 billion in 1998, exceeds $167 billion per year in the United States.


Not that I would stake my life on any of this data being anywhere near accurate, but you get the point.

What's wrong with the math? I provided sources. Oh, I know, I used 12 years instead of 13.3 years for tag renewals - except that year 1 is paid for with TT&L, and I didn't figure .3 years mattered - end result, slightly higher percentage.

Also, I gave an example fuel cost. In 12 years, we'll be lucky if it's $3.00...again, end result, higher tax percent.

200K isn't unreasonable for the average lifespan of a vehicle. Most vehicles will last that long or longer if properly maintained and not abused. My 1997 Ford Ranger lasted until 163K, and the only thing I did was occasionally change the oil, swap the battery twice, new tires twice, a new alternator after soaking the OEM one with water, and the 100K maintenance called for in the manual, at 130K.

It sounded like hell in the engine, but still started and ran fine, 3rd was nearly shot (was grinding when I bought it, at 50K), and there were some things that needed replacement that I felt wasn't worth it - however, after the 2 payments I've made on my new truck, I'm already "behind" on what it would have cost me to fix my old truck, that more than likely, would have made it until 230K if not more. I just got tired of owning it, and wanted it out, and found a good enough reason, and the dealer gave me enough on trade in to make it worthwhile to do so.

My Dad's 77 CJ7 had well over 300,000 miles on it, before the odometer/speedometer stopped working.

I had a 78 Thunderbird that had over 225K.

200K is not an unreasonable estimate for the life of a vehicle.

you are comparing apples to oranges, you know

i'll give you a hint

you don't have to ride your cigarette to work

putting a car on the same level (vice wise) as a nicotine addiction is pretty insane

i mean you are literally comparing the health care costs of something with two statistical bases that are drastically different.

I'm also quoting this from sixteen thousand pages back just because it is silly. The government isn't taxing these things because they are bad for you, they are taxing them because they are addictive and people will continue to buy them. That is why they tax the "sins" -- because people aren't going to stop doing them. There isn't anything unconstitutional about it. On another note, it is why they need to legalize cannabis use and tax it. They would make a killing.

Also I don't care if people smoke or jump off buildings or singe their pubic hair with a blowtorch, freedoms and all -- but I do care when those things endanger my health. I would argue to the death for someone to smoke in their own home or car or whatever, but get that away from me. I have multiple medical conditions it agitates and while I try to avoid it as much as possible there is always some tool who is smoking on campus or whatever.

edit: also, this is turning into a political discussion and chances are it will be locked, but whatever. I wanted to get my two cents in.

You're right, my mistake.

As far as an ashtray, I don't care if there is one or not. I don't smoke in my Z, and even if I did, I would not use the ashtray. While smoking will definitely make your car smell, storing used butts in the car would make it even worse. I use empty coke cans and toss them out daily in my beater, even though it has one.

I do wish it had a cig lighter, because occasionally, your lighter runs off. But I just stash an extra lighter in the glove box, problem solved.

I prefer to step outside my car and admire it while I smoke anyway. That's why I park in back at work, so when I go out to smoke, I can look at it!

:tup:

I'm not missing the ashtray either. Anyway, people talk about putting a change holder in the cup holder on the console. I just use the recess in the cup holder itself.

I do the same

I take back everything I said. This makes smoking perfectly acceptable.

Well, provided your car is clean.

hey when he dies... early.. we can have his car right..?












































J/K

Sorry we can't all chew copious amounts of Redman like you Memphis boys

i dont smoke or chew or drink ... ill outlive him :) .... :roflpuke2:

Oh we've already covered what you drink shirley temple....

haha

Yeah, but for the small percentage of teens that don't listen to their parents or that are pursuaded by peer pressure ;) maybe this will help.

Damn dog. You must be one addicted individual to lay all that out like that. The addiction really has you convinced huh?

I rather pay gas tax and drive a two ton Z with a car payment any old day than *have to buy* 2 packs every single day.
That's just me, and everyone is entitled to do what they want. Just pointing that out... IMHO I think it's just silly to smoke, especially in 2010.

It simply is too damn expensive, too restrictive and too bad on your health... Save your $ and put it toward your Z (or bank account)

...started this whole thing btw

Hell, I won't even let people get in my car without pulling a Dorothy and clicking their heels three times to get all the dirt off of their shoes. No food or drinks, and I'm sure as hell not going to let someone put a hole in my upholstery when they drop their cigarette.

I smoke... IN THE Z...who wants to be my HERO?!!

Why do you need an ashtray. I see most people flicking ash and butts out the window. What Aholes. But then I look in the backseat and see all the holes when the ash came back in. Serves them right.

My Z is a non smoker car now and forever.

Only smoking in my Z...is coming from my wheels

Ok, that was lame. I'll leave the thread now.

Oh.My.God. :eek: Say it aint so ...

:ban: :ban: :ban: :ban:



Seriously ...

Are you of age to smoke? check
Is it your car? check

That about covers it. Anyone gonna pass a law saying she can't? Would you vote for it?

Yea..u lost me. U trying to start trouble?:shakes head:

No I actually think he is taking your side. Since so many people bitch about it and you do...I believe he is saying its your car, you can smoke since you are legal......so why bitch about smoking in a Z. YOU paid for it...its your choice to do what you want in it.

i've smoked in evry car ive owned until about a year ago...i say just do it before the govment bans that to..haha..whats up with all the smoking threads!??

Well I have been causing trouble in this thread :) But read some of my earlier posts and it should be clear I was taking Sophia's side.

There seems to be a clear divide in this thread -- with little gray area -- between the "nanny" mentality and a more individualistic/libertarian mentality. It just goes to show that all types drive the Z :)

Moved to "Do you smoke in your Z thread"

Back to the change storage question, I just bought something like this. I put it in the center console and it comes with double-sided tape. Easy, hidden away and cheap!

http://www.buyhardwaresupplies.com/i...s/84/84742.jpg

Car Change Holder

:tiphat:

:)

Hey, anyone can smoke in their Z all they want, more power to them.

Doesnt change the fact its a disgusting habit :).

I can clearly remember my first time kissing a chick who smoked...disgusting.

Thank God!!!

I am a non-smoker but have many friends who smoke. I'm tired of telling them no every time they get in my vehicles.