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Pheonix

How about you put your talent and education to use, instead of looking to troll any and every badge, any and every chance you get? I mean, its obvious that you have a brain. You've made plenty of intelligent and thoughtful posts. Its a shame that the rest of the time, this is how you choose to expend your energy. We get it. You hate cops. You've made that abundantly, almost flippantly clear, at every conceivable opportunity. You don't believe a single one of them is worth the flesh they walk around in. But you seem to be the only one here with such outrageous hatred of them. And I'll state again that not every one of them, contrary to your seemingly all-knowing and therefore only valid opinion, are corrupt or wicked. Only the ones that make the news.

So I'll ask you as kindly and politely as I know how, because I just got done working a hell of a day with those so-called pigs, and with the start of the nicest weather we've had here in months, and some of the lousiest calls that came out as a result...those "pigs" worked their ever loving asses off today, with little to no gratitude, because all too many people share your same view until it becomes their time in the hot seat. Please and kindly...if you must bash on them. Do it more respectfully. If you can't find a way to do that with the brain I've seen you possess...then you are clearly trolling and flame-baiting folks like Blue and I.

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Pharmacist

that doesn't change the fact that they get paid a lot of money from the taxes that citizens pay, so they should be used to do something that benefits society back, instead of running that speed enforcement scam on behalf of the city. additionally, they should try and be a bit courteous and respectful to other citizens and not always be rude arrogant and obnoxious. they should remember where their paycheck comes from. lastly they need to tone it down with this whole violence and brutality thing, this whole thing about beating up and roughing up people or tasing them. they should keep in mind that they are only entitled to use violence when absolutely necessary and only the minimum required to restrain an individual. not to go out and beat up/tase people at will whenever they feel like it.

if cops fix those 3 things i mentioned, i wouldn't have a problem with them. but they won't of course. so that's why i'm not too fond of them. and yeah, i know, some cops are mother teresa in a blue uniform, but a great many are not. actually based on public perception of cops, it's safe to conclude that the majority of them are in the not so mother teresa group.

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blue660r01

Like I said....Come to New York and see half the **** these guys go through. You will see it in a WHOLE different way. I'll drop you off in the South Bronx.

Pharmacist

and why do i care what happens in nyc or russia or the planet venus? i only care about the situation in my country because that's where i live. i'm sure cops in nyc are on holiday compared to cops in mexico or colombia or pakistan or any such countries.

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Pheonix

At least this much we agree on. Those drug wars are out of control.

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blue660r01

Why do you care? Because you base a population off a sample.

We all know you care because you feel the need to come back and continue your needless and ridiculous "bashing"

Pheonix

It's true. Cops get paid decently. Some would even argue not enough for the violence that some cities display. I have absolutely no idea what life in Canada is like, and to be honest I haven't got the energy to check right now, so I don't dare pontificate on what you and your cops face. I have no idea how your officers are used in your neck of the woods.

Down here, in this state and I suspect many other stations throughout the US, in each precinct you've got ward officers, assigned to handle various portions of their own little slice of the city. Some of those officers do nothing but answer calls. Another portion of those are what you may call task force; e.g. drug raids, warrant pick-ups, fugitive hunts, etc. Maybe this is what you would consider the returned investment. Lord knows simple domestics get redundant. Finally, a much, much smaller (and I do much much smaller) section of officers do nothing but check radar. There's nothing else for them to do. Calls are being handled. Raids are being carried out. The officer must do something. He either patrols the streets (I'm sure this pleases the average citizen) or he looks for traffic violations.

You might be astounded to discover how many American criminals will ride around speeding or driving in an otherwise reckless manner. An amazing number of fugitives are caught doing nothing more than breaking the speed limit. Traffic stops are kinda good at that, too. Wouldn't you like to get a criminal off the street, by any means necessary? Look at the sheer amount of Spike clips showing fugitives being apprehended on traffic stops, and you see what I mean. In short: traffic stops are for far more than speeding, and it could even be argued they themselves are a full return of investment.

As to your additional points, I agree. A fair amount of officers let it go to their heads. What can ya do? You instigate him, and you only add to your charges. Yeah, you can fight 'em in court, but at the point of initiation, he's got the upper hand and your not going to change that by pissing him off. It may not be right, but that's the fact. A lot of others are hard-working family men and women like you or I, who happen to carry a badge and a gun. Its like calling all movie theater employees ******** cuz the one kicked you out after catching you sneaking in food. (Maybe thats a local thing, I dunno if Canadians are allowed to bring in outside food). Maybe a bad analogy

Finally, I really don't know of very many extraneous abuses of taser power. The only ones I see are the ones who wind up on CNN, and at least in the case of the old lady who was tased...well, she refused a directive to stay put so the officer could check her, and wandered back to her vehicle where who knows what was waiting. Officers have been killed that way. It was a hard judgement call, but he made it. As far as anything else...well, lets see. Nightstick abuse? Check out Rodney King and what happened to his officers. And don't let an officer discharge his weapon for anything other than a legitimate reason. There goes the career, and likely every dollar he'll ever make. Even if it's ruled a justified shooting, the chances of a lawsuit are still great.

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Pharmacist

ok u make some good points. i'll address them. over here, violent crime and armed crime are very low, so cops rarely ever get shot at or killed. and yes, departments here are just like yours. they have units that deal with drugs, or gun crime, or taskforces for gangs, or prostitution, etc.... and there are also units that only do traffic enforcement. actually, since most southern ontario have their own municipal police departments, in these areas the entire provincial opp departments are practically nothing more than a speed enforcement unit on the highway.

You then mentioned that since other officers deal with crimes, the remaining ones have nothing to do but traffic enforcement. If that's the case, that means they have more cops than needed. Why not just fire some of them, and trim down the police budget? Over here in toronto, for example, even in a recession the police budget is skyrocketing. the cop salaries keep going up, in addition to bonuses and overtime, and they also keep hiring more cops and all that, despite statistics showing crime is actually going down! and of course their mafia-like police union makes sure to derail any effort to restrain the police budget.

As for criminals getting caught in speed traps, yes it happens but not that often, nor is that the purpose of speed traps. nor is it impossible to do by targeted policing (e.g. anti crime units). but hey, by all means arrest those 1 or 2 criminals, but let the remaining several hundred non-criminal motorists off with a warning

As for tasers there are all sorts of examples from the media, youtube, etc.. about them used on seniours, teenage girls, cripples in wheelchairs, etc.... and they were used in many situations where there was NO threat whatsoever to the cop's safety. we also have a notorious case here of robert dziekanski who DIED because one of your heroic cops tazed him. he was neither armed nor dangerous. just a polish immigrant who doesn't know a single english word and getting angry and agitated because he couldn't find his relatives nor communicate with the airport staff.

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