Japan Announces 2035 ICE Ban - Long live the Z
 

10 or 20 years ago, I would be looking to see whats newer and better to replace my existing Z with eventually.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/japan-t...ef-11608887640

Now, a new reality is dawning, where if you are serious about ICE sports cars, you will have to hoard them. You won't be trading in your 370Z for a 400Z because a 400Z alone will not last you for the rest of your life. I think around 2035, its looking there will be enough bans that it won't make producing these cars worthwhile for the few places that don't have a ban. I find it highly probable that a Biden administration would announce an ICE ban by 2040, effectively killing the global sports car market.

Instead, you need to start thinking now about what sports cars to buy in the next decade unless you will want to start paying inflated used pricing on out of production collectibles.

You will need to hold on to both your 370Z AND purchase a 400Z in order to hoard enough ICE sports cars to last you for the rest of your life.

My personal list of ICE sports cars to acquire (brand new) before 2035 end of production:

2020 370Z (acquired)
20xx 400Z
20xx C8 Corvette

This should be good to keep me happy till I die.

:shakes head: At some point the ruling elites will out law gasoline or make it very expensive / scarce, the ICE autos will become dust collectors / lawn ornaments.

I also see society shunning people with a ICE like they have the plague and refuse to let you in their parking lot or through their neighborhood :shakes head:
I can see it now, a sign at the entrance of a sub : NO ICE PERMITTED

We'll all be in 're-education' camps before that happens. Private ownership of houses, cars, etc will be outlawed, everything goes to the government. Your nice house will be confiscated for the ruling elite, you'll get a one room tarpaper shack down by the river....:shakes head:

That is why we have the 2nd Amendment.
So we can protect ourselves and our property.

The left is trying to make that go bye bye.

Unfortunately....it doesn't work that way. They won't be coming with guns to get you (except in rare nut cases).... and their guns are bigger anyways.....they'll be coming through pop culture, through the mainstream media, through Leftist academia.... you're not going to be shot out of existence....you'll be phased out...

I don't know if Americans got it, but up here in Canada Lexus had a commercial a few years ago with the ominous ending line "enjoy driving while you still can". ICE ban and self-driving will ultimately culminate - if some have their way - in no human driving. Ah....the "utopian" vision....just get in your car, tell is where you want to go - and if permissible - it takes you there, all while central command logs and monitors every second of it.

I don't think its the end of the sports car. There are plenty, fast, electric cars.

The book "1984" come to mind?

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They may be fast but they don't have "soul". The ICE has all these working parts that make science sexy and beautiful.

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I believe phased out is correct. After you die all of your possessions will become state property and not be passed on to your beneficiaries and a couple of generations later, total state control

I am not about to disagree with that, but saying that it is the end of the sports car is too extreme. They are just going to be different and yes soulsless, but still fun to drive.

I've rented a Tesla on Turo. It's faster than my Z. While I am not saying it is a sports car, without the sound and vibration....it gets old and yawn inducing real quick.

I still have approx 50-60 years based on average male life expectancy. I need to make bank the next decade to hoard up at least three gasoline sports cars to last me till I die.

More like Mein Kampf but with Klaus Schwab instead. Prince Charles is full on for the Agenda 21 / reset as well. These people are not your friends.

Thought you guys might be interested in that commercial. I remember being pretty shocked when I first saw it. Not shocked by the content - many realize this is the future that some are aiming for - but by the fact that a huge mainstream corporation just put it right out there. Kudos to them.

https://youtu.be/wmkaUS6BFAs

The only good thing I can say is that, Musk's con-man style false claims aside, true full self-driving is still years away.

This is what I think. Cruise ships etc will go nuclear powered. Airplanes will find a new source of energy that burns cleaner than what we have now.

As for ICE cars, it's inevitable that they will phase out the ICE. Those that have them will be able to keep them but I have a feeling they will add additional taxes and fees to keep them running (Emission tests, plate renewals, finding the RIGHT type of fuel and so forth).

I mean look at the carbon tax here in Canada, by 2030, if I recall correctly, the price of regular gasoline (87) will be jumping by 40 cents. Like wtf. . . I will be paying close to, if not more than $2 a litre for premium gasoline, what a rip. They better find a way to mass produce electric cars and make them super affordable and reliable ASAP. As for costs, I'm sure the governments will find a way to tax additionally electric cars, such as battery disposal feels, additional fees for purchasing the battery, fees for discarding the rubber from the tires and whatever else. The cost of electricity will also be going up, that's for sure. I just don't want to wait for 30 mins in one spot for my car to sufficiently charge, that to if there isn't a line up already at the "refill" station.

Today’s batteries as a power source for cars is unsustainable. There aren’t enough resources on the planet to make the amount of batteries that would be required to replace even half of the worlds ICE cars by electric ones. We won’t even get into the trucking industry and commercial aviation. Then there’s the increased demand on the existing electric power grid which would need to be expanded. Tree huggers would love that idea. So, forget batteries. But unfortunately, electric motors are probably the future. We just don’t know what the power source will be yet. Or, it might all change for ICE if a clean and renewable fuel can be concocted to replace gasoline. Who knows.

But yeah, electric cars become extremely boring, extremely fast. Goes to show that it’s not about how fast a car gets you from point A to B. It’s about the visceral sensation of feel and sound. This is the main reason that electric motorcycles are not very popular even though that makes more sense than an electric car.

Only time will tell. The progress we made from the Tesla Model S and Fisker Karma (if you see those as a fair checkpoint) has been pretty substantial in terms of volume/availability.

I don't think it'll be the cars, but the infrastructure that presents a challenge. 10-15 years, I'm not sure if we'll have charging stations on-par with the volume and turnaround time of gas stations.

The other thing with an EV is that once you buy it. Then you have to put in a charging station at your house. Now you have to figure out how many amps you need for it. Then figure out your panel box. If you have a 100 amp box. Figure you will need to go to a 200 amp panel. How many people can afford to up grade their panel boxes. Most places, you have to have a licensed electrician to do it. Another thing, if you have to park in the street. Do you run a cord from the house out to the EV. Then do you trust the neighborhood. If you live in an area with a HOA. How will they handle it? Most HOA's are full of azzholes that control them.

I can see them successfully implementing a ban on the "sale of new" ICE cars which will just simply cause new production of ice cars to a halt and put focus into hybrid. It'll just be whatever is out there in terms of 100% ice is what will remain until generations of ICE drivers no longer are here to purchase and drive them.

I doubt they'll be able to outright outlaw both the driving of ICE cars and driving itself and force driverless cars on us. Should this happen and they can successfully deal with the fallout of such a thing then this will be beyond our life time and we will be long dead.

It hurts my head to think of everything that would need to change all around the world in order to facilitate something like this and im not even talking about the logistical nightmare that this would cause. It'll rattle the world and the disruption it'd cause in both old & new systems in effect would be devastating, let alone would it could do to our economy. It would seriously require an unprecedented focus and major shift simultaneously with the rest of the superpowers worldwide to get us there.

Ultimately, the market will decide what happens in the future. People seem to think that the world is loving electric cars, they arent, they love tesla's. The government can tell us about all the changes they'd like to make, doesn't mean its going to happen. Trends change, directions shift, pushback & appeals prolong and are successful, and lastly governments change as well. There really is no point for any of us to worry about this in our life time.


Edit: Mind you, with all that i said...I'm not opposed to electric cars, electric does have its place and if i could afford it, it'd have an electric as a daily where i dont care how i get to point A to B but i'll always have something i can play with, work on and use during the summer and weekends. That's where the Z fits, and what it does perfectly.

When the military switches to EV's. That will be it. I don't foresee an EV tank anytime soon. I know they are working on some EV vehicles now. But to put it to service is decade or so away.

Like Asus mentioned - the world isn't loving EVs - they are loving Teslas. The govt can ban the sale of new ICE mobiles but how about the infrastructure to fuel those EVs - does that mean eventually we will see gas stations turn into a combination of the 2 - gas stations on one side and then EV fueling on the other? One of the greatest accomplishments and reasons to buy a Tesla is their super charge fueling stations so one can make a trip from CA to FL and know you won't be stranded bc of the fueling station network they have built.

Overall I think the EV will be the only vehicle sold eventually thus phasing out the ICE mobile - but....I think it will be much longer than we expect (not bc of a lack of technology) but bc of the cost associated with it. Just think the govt offered huge rebates on taxes if you got an EV but even like that - how many EVs have been purchased bc of that govt subsidy - not as many as they would have hoped and EVs are still expensive even with the govt subsidy.
We might see something like hybrid engines where vehicles that are traveling under a certain MPH - use a hybrid engine but after you hit a certain speed - it uses gas to circumvent the 'ban of ICE mobiles'

The were working on Miltary vehicle EVs back in the 90's 5 minutes from my home. General Dynamics. I was friends with the engineer on the several projects mostly turbine generator_> battery and Electric propulsion. The EMI would wipe out most sensitive electronics and also create an easy signature to spot, track and target.

I'm not sure military EVs are going to be possible, unless they come up with a reliable way to shunt the EMI to ground. The COMSEC equipment I worked on had RF shielding like you wouldn't believe. A 4" x 4" circuit board, surrounded by 3" of wire mesh and steel. :ugh2:

Totally agree with the original poster.

My personal list of ICE sports cars to acquire before 2035 end of production:

2017 370Z (acquired)
20xx 400Z
C7 Corvette (the only GM product I've ever liked)

This should be good to keep me happy till I die.

Sadly, Massachusetts just joined California.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/massachus...hicles-by-2035

With the incoming Harris admin, pretty sure the writing is on the wall for the rest of the country :(

Ve are comink for your ICE cars...you vill have papers to travel....:eekdance:

I think when it all settles in with everyone, Plug in hybrid or Hybrid will be the compromise. With the ICE portion getting smaller and smaller. Maybe 1 Cyl. ;)

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eh I'm just going to keep my 370Z and my old motorbike forever.

Hydrogen fuel cell powering an electric motor is the direction I last heard. Also needs to be able to run diesel or jp8 etc as backup. Not sure how that’s going or if still going. Batteries were never going to cut it.

Hydrogen fuel cell powered ev’s is the real long term answer I& your looking for comparable range, refuel times, minimal impact to/can work with existing infrastructure.

Of course, the limited range p, recharge issues, general $$$ needed for a battery ev POV might be exactly WHY that is the solution being pushed so hard. I’d like to say the free market will decide but it won’t be that simple.

There is a solution to the soulless self driving ev tho, converting your existing ice car to ev, still super connected driving experience, all you’re changing is the propulsion method, kind of like a middle ground. Check out ev west, they’re doing cool stuff like this to classic Porsches etc. it’s a cottage industry in its infancy but it’ll exploding over the next ten years I bet.

Chevy has a drag race CPO Camaro that is electric. The price is over $100,000.

Hopefully I'll be dead or killed when all this happens. A big middle finger to anyone who desecrates our culture and constitution.

You'll be in the camps with a number tattoo'd on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more. :shakes head:

With EV's, the only differences between manufacturers will be exterior and interior styling and features and build quality. The various brands will buy their electric motors from the same suppliers. It won't be like now where a Nissan has a Nissan-made engine, and a Chevrolet has a GM-made engine. I will never sell my 370Z, will buy a 400Z, and perhaps a used C7 Grand Sport as well!

It won't be numbers on your arm. It will be a QR code on your forehead. :icon14:

"You'll be in the camps with a number tattooed on your forearm with me, Rusty and at least 50M more."

This reminds me of the Bible prophesy in the book of Revelation, Chapter 13:
11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads, 17 so that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark, which is the name of the beast or the number of its name.

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

Jfc, didnt we create a rule on this forum to not bring politics into the regular discussion threads? Also, to the op.... that ban only applies to Japan itself, the manufacturers based there are still allowed to make ICE vehicles for the rest of the world, at least until everyone converts over to some alternative

With 2 middle fingers up... lol

We might be walking a fine line. Im not talking directly about politics. Im saying... politics is f**king with my enthusiasm for cars. F*** all politicians. Love gas engine v6/v8s+. End of story.