NISMO vs the gutless wonder!! 86
 

https://youtu.be/Kcl2q_Ix2Ks

I remember watching Chris Harris take a shyt on the Zed while he sucked a lot of Toyota dyck. So I went running to 11 dealerships b4 one would give me a test drive. My first thought was.... I'm supposed to want this over my 370z? And laughed hysterically. It was the day I realized even car media has CNN syndrome. The Z us a superior car. Maybe koni shocks and Spec R springs was the tipping point that made the FRS feel like the handling wasn't as better as they claimed? The Z's problem has been its front heavy and it has slop coming out of corners. But the suspension mods greatly improve that problem.
The 86 imo is an inferior car in 4 out of 5 ways. I'm glad it exists but... Chris Harris Is the propaganda press. We dont need a CNN in the automotive world.

The Nismo is still relevant till this day.

I drove both back to back repeatedly while shopping around.

I legit thought something was wrong with the first 86 I drove. The power actually DROPS in the middle of the power band. I thought the clutch was slipping.

That said, for a daily commuter, the 86 is fantastic. It gets great mileage, has the maintenance costs of a Corolla, and you can toss it around like a go kart. Honestly, a lot of the time, the Z feels like too much car for city streets. I rarely get to stretch its legs outside of backroads and onramps.

They're different cars for different people.

That is true. The 86 would be great in NYC where the fast you can go most days is 55? If it can absorb the potholes well?
As for power usage... I'm at 440rwhp on my camaro and j have loads of fun on the streets as I did with my Z. I believe both Z and camaro have a lot more in common than people think. And one of those things is amazing gearing. Both cars have been geared for both low speed and high speed fun. I feel they both have a special duality to them despite having a lot of power for what they both are.

The 86 is ok. It's a good little romping car. But I dont think it deserves all the hoop lah its had for years. It's funny some ways but it's mostly a gutless car. I guess j like cars with power...

Wait until the Supra comes out... the boy racers are gonna get in line until they find out its a $60,000 slug.

Huh? A slug? I think the supra will be the car to beat. I'm almost sure of it.

I've driven both extensively and love both, but whereas the 86 is a fun novelty, the Z is a purpose built cornering machine. If I could only have one car, it'd be the 86 due to space, mpg, and its tailhappy fun under 40mph.

$60,000 for 330 horse (taken at the crank) and 155 top end is a slug.

And I won’t even mention how ugly it is...

we should all chill a bit

The Z is the greatest car of all time. It's so perfect that they didn't even give it a telescoping steering wheels, because the wheel is in the optimal position for precision maneuvering.

I guess you haven't seen the dyno tunes on the stock engine... it's under rated by 50hp on average. It beat the Z4 in a drag race pretty badly.

https://youtu.be/60cxIFwHJNU

A slug beating a slower slug isn’t swaying me. My $30,000 Z will smoke both of them.

Hope you're modded cuz.... the fastest 60 time recorded on the supra is 3.8. The fastest 0-60 on a Z was 4.5seconds... the quarter for s Z is 13.1 seconds IF U DRIVE AUTO? 13.3 for manual. Its 12 seconds on a supra. I wouldn't be racing for pink's if I was you there buddy. Its great to love and prefer your car. Its another to have delusions of grandeur. Lol.

And lastly. Supra has the modding advantage. It's designed with the plumbing for easy turbo upgrades and such. The car was designed to be easily modded. In this generation of lackluster cars. The supra is a gift.

Yeah crapping on the Supra was so 2 weeks ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=galowNnKOl8

That's not a slug. 0-60 in supposedly 4.1 seconds. Not many cars do that, with a RWD V6.

As for the 86. I feel like that's beat to death. Each to their own and there's nothing wrong with liking it. The only annoying thing is when fanboys try to glorify it for more than it really is.

It's that excuse/sugarcoating bull**** that comes with any fanboy.
>"Derp but my 86 is lighter and funner"
>"do some mods to a Miata and it beats an S2000!"
>"get some COBB for my WRX and it's an STi!"
>"muh Golf is Euorpeein"
>"if we get an oil cooler + CSC repair + srpint booster +RJM + stiffer front swaybar our Z is proper"

I don't know when the car consumer society will learn to outgrow this stigma. In the end, yeah most of us would have Ferrari's or whatever if we could afford it. There's nothing wrong for enjoying what you have, but you don't have to go out of your way to justify your purchase.

*on a side note, pretty sure that host was totally for a ride with the artificial engine soundtrack.

Supra is an inline 6:tup:

blah! crap on my part

you're right on about not needing to justify our purchases.

BTW: The Supra is 3.8 sec to 60mph and 12.3 sec for 1/4 miles. That is very fast in its stock form. While the appearance is subjective, the performance is quite amazing for an $55k car.

Slug? Quarter mile was tested at 12.00 @ 118mph our Z will need a turbo kit for those times lol

I got bored by the 7 minute mark. The 86 and the Z should not even be compared. (my shot at trying to get back on topic :-))

I felt the same way. They're not really comparable.

It might be a gift, but it’s a fugly gift.

Heinous a f!

Some of the best pu**y I ever had was ugly pu**y. Apply that life lesson however you'd like. . :tiphat:

:iagree: The Z is too different for this comparison.

Your $30k Z would get stomped into the ground. Don't look at the horsepower. Look at the torque.

They dynoed 421lbs tq. That's nuts. I think a Z dynoed at around 258lbs on a stock motor. You need to put an 86 motor on top of the VQ to be in the same torque family as a supra

NISMO vs the gutless wonder!! 86
 

Yep. That’s one fast BMW!!! But I can’t get past the fake vents and weird looking roof line. There’s just something off about the way it looks.


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Yeah dude, but that's different and many times requires alcohol. I would not suggest drinking to make the Supra look "acceptable". :icon14:

I hear ya, but apparently fake vents are making a huge comeback! They're all the rage these days!

To be fair, on the Supra they are designed to be removed to allow for more airflow and aftermarket coolers. So turning them into functional vents doesn't sound like a big deal. Toyota left a lot of meat on the bone with this car. There is all kinds of room for improvement.

Also, its looks are growing on me. I saw one with an old style supra wing on it... :yum:

For that price, I'd take a Corvette over this wheeled turd toyota any day.


No offense to Toyota.

Seriously, couldn’t they put just one more sharp angle on it? It looks like the offspring of a 370z and a Pontiac Aztec.

The vents aren't fake. That was a mistake

That true, didn’t look at the torque. Still not interested in a $60,000 rolling turd. How about if I put $30,000 into my $30,000 Z to make it a fair fight?

Now you're talking! I'll take the Z, thank you.


Or a Corvette. :tiphat:

There isn’t enough alcohol in this county to change my mind about the supras looks. It’s that bad.

Exactly! Before I drop 60 large on the rolling turd, I’d buy the Vette and have an extra $4000 in my pocket.

Where are you getting 421flb of torque? The most I’ve seen is 365. Still impressive, but not 421 impressive.

They are fake. Most go nowhere at all and have metal behind them.

Sorry for the zealousness, the Z replaced my bmw so comparatively the Z's cornering ability is astoundingly good.

I'm surprised at all the Supra hate in here!

I'm not getting one, but I won't deny that it'll be a better car than a stock Z34. My sister is getting a launch edition when it arrives later this month/next month, so I'm PUMPED to try it out.

Anyway, to get back on topic - I didn't watch the video but I agree with a lot that's being said here - 86 and 370Z (especially a Nismo) shouldn't even be compared. That's not to say one car is better than the other, but they are just in different classes it doesn't even makes sense. The only thing that have in common is that they are both Japanese RWD coupes :P

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