I expect the price of the car to go up a bit too as more power usually means more money. Unless the go skimmpy on the interior. Time for a special edition Z with a SC on the V6 to keep up with the Jones's

Well Ford is in the same boat as Nissan, they have to hit that special price point to get the majority of buyers in. I think it will be about on par with the Z though, base GT right around 30k while a premium GT with the works will be in the 40k.

You generally can't look at those v8s in terms of hp per liter. They are not very stressed at all so there really is no point. If ford wanted they could have tuned the 4.6 to 412hp but the new 5L is just a better engine, and the added displacement will help with not needing to stress the engine much at all to put out those numbers.

The 4.6 is a great motor, but the 5 liter will be fantastic. More power, more efficient, and higher revs. Oh, it should be a little lighter, too.

I am pretty much in agreement with everyone else. The Z is a great car but it's underpowered. The stillen sc kit is pretty much a must for me right now!

Ive actually been alittle curious, worried that our cars engine has been tuned to near its maximum limit and was wondering what that will do for longgevity of our engine, will it last as long as others. So Im wondering if our engine is stressed to produce its power?

I do not think the Z is at its power, look at people doing just bolt ons, adding 10-15HP per item, plus no tuning software yet to really balance the car out.

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Our VVEL system is rather intricate... that's the only thing I wonder about in terms of long- term durability, but my guess is that a properly maintained and well cared for NA 3.7 should be as reliable as any other car.

This debate will always rage on, Mustang guys don't like Z's, Z's don't like Mustangs. Anyways, concerning the 2011 Mustang yes it is making 412 at crank with the new aluminum 5.0 v8. However, it will still weigh more than the outgoing GT early estimates range from 3600-3800 pounds. Mustangs are heavy, simple fact, no matter how much aluminum they sneak in. Lastly, you cannot discuss Mustangs without bringing up the live axle. The live axle is the #1 reason why Z's are superior in feel and track results. If I had to guess I'd say the 2011 Mustang GT will probably do around mid to low 13's. Ford is not going to mass produce a car that is comparably fast to the GT500 at a fraction of the price and no stock Mustang GT in Ford's history has broken 13's.

Technically that is not true, from the factory you can have a GT with a supercharger (and not the GT500). ;)
The next GT500 will be interesting with the 5.0L and the talk they will be using the ecoboost like in the Ford Taurus SHO.

Official: 2011 Mustang GT Debuts With 412-hp, 5.0-Liter V8 : Auto News

pretty informative, they have the curb weight listed at an estimated 3875

The weight should stay about the same, too, since the 5L weighs about the same as the 4.6.

This car will surprise many, have no doubt.

Supercharger from the factory on a GT? Never been done, other than the GT500 no Mustang GT has ever come "from the factory" with a supercharger. Superchargers from the factory on mustangs are historically limited to SVT's (Cobras, GT500) only other options would be tuners such as Rousch at a premium dollar.

I agree. 0 to 60 mph should be 4.6 seconds, maybe 4.5!

If the GT's are prior to 2005 and your starting from a dig then I would believe you are "killing" GT's. But if the GT's are 2007 through 2009 I think you need to explain what you mean by "killing" because you certainly aren't "killing" them nor are you leaving them looking like their standing still. In 2007 the stock GT Vert had 3.55 gears and the coup 3.31 gears. In 2008 the Vert had stock 3.55 gears and the coup had stock 3.55 upon request at time of ordering. The 2009 GT Verts and Coups were running 3.55 gears stock. The 2007 GT Coups going to Shelby to be converted to Shelby GT's came from Ford with 3.31 gears but Shelby swapped them out for 3.55. Upon request and paying the net part cost difference 4.10's would be put in by Shelby. In short with the 3.55 or 4.10 gears you were NOT "killing" GT's running those gears. 3.55 would be head-to-head. With 4.10's the GT Mustang would be starting to pull away from you.

Sorry dude but I have owned and raced GT's, 350Z and 370Z and I will say you aren't "killing" GT's :bs: :bs: :bs:.

But....but.....but.....ZSteve says he's KILLING GT's all the time......:roflpuke2:

I had an 03 that ran 13.9-14.0 stock. 4.10 gears dropped that to 13.5. The 370 would ultimately pull it, but I can say without a doubt that my GT was quicker than my Z from a dig. From a roll would be another story, though, as we are talking 332+ to around 270hp.

As far as superchargers go, you can order your new 2010 GT with a blower. It's a FRPP kit that is usually dealer-installed before you take delivery. It's fully tuned and warranty supported.

As I said the GT's before 2005 I would believe the Z to pull but NOT "Kill". BTW the 03 GT's were making about 260 to the wheels not 270. The 2005 made about 265 to 270 to the wheels. The 2006 averaged about 275 to 279 to the rear wheels. The Shelby GT's were putting down 282 to 286 to the wheels...with an occasional Shelby GT freak putting 290 to 292 to the wheels.

I would say that the best claims that can be truthfully made by a Z owner is that they were trading noses with the later GT's from 2006 to 2009...they certainly were not "killing" them. ANother FACT...the 2010 Mustang GT's are about 2 to 4 HP short of what the Shelby GT's are making to the wheels.

I dont know stangs well enough to know them by years but I do know that Im beating the new style stangs which I guess could be the 05 to 09s??? and I pull on them very quickly and by the time we hit 80 -90 (which is where I usually cut it off for safety reasons LOL) Im more than a car ahead. Now I dont doubt I can do that to the 2010 but I havent gone against one yet that I know of. Im sure the 2010 will be about even with our Z. I can only say about the ones I ve had a go with what ever their year was. Take it for what its worth.

99-04s made 260 at the flywheel. The manuals dynod around 230. I said 270 flywheel because that's about what the CBE was good for on mine.

That is precisely why I said I think you really need to clarify what you mean when you use the word "killing" as the context of your post makes it sound like you were bitch-slapping all of them around with absolute ease...and that is what I take exception to...I know that context just isn't so with the 2006 through 2009 GT models. Anything before that I would say you probably were bitch-slapping them with ease.

Even if the 2011 Mustang is 3800lbs, it will break 13's easy, probably around 12.8. If Ford can really get it at 3500, it should be closing in on 12.5's. In general greater displacement also means torque per HP. Ford's problem may be more getting a good hookup than power.

I agree with you totally in regards to your observation of hookup and power. The Ford modular 4.6 in the 06 to 09 Mustang GT models make 300 ft-lbs of wheel torque in stock configuration. When the torque curve begins its drop the HP is still increasing to reach its peak.

The problem is the torque is all there at launch with Mustangs that the clutch has to be feathered into the launch off the line in order to get the tires to hook right away. And this takes an experienced driver to be able to consistently hook more often than not.....not some weekend wannabee...and certainly not by some puzzy-azz rolling start.

As I said before and I'll say it again...the best anyone owning a stock Z can say is that on any given run a stock Z or a stock Mustang GT (06-10) can win and most of the time they will be trading noses the majority of a race. There is NO KILLING of a Mustang GT (06-10) by a Z.

Figured i'd chime in with my .02, my car club usually does drag race night once a month at the local strip, so far I myself, have raced 3 current generation mustang gt's, havent lost yet with my best win being a full second faster, probably a bad driver, but they were all pretty simple wins. I consider a full second "killing" to be honest, but like I said, he probably wasnt the best driver. If you want to have a numbers battle, the Z outperforms the GT from 0-60 Acceleration, 1/4 mile, Slalom, Skid pad, etc. Here is a vid for confirmation. If i'm not mistaken, that is a 2010 GT.

YouTube - Drag Race - Genesis Coupe, 370Z, Mustang GT

the article.

http://motortrend.automotive.com/104...onclusion.html

and if you're in for numbers..

http://motortrend.automotive.com/104...test-data.html

I’ll be waiting for your .02 when the 2011 5.0 arrive!

Roxy will be packin a GTM or Stillen supercharger by then, im not too worried ;)

Already got 8k saved specifically for it.:happydance:

If you are winning by a full second then your competition is lacking in the skill dept. I'm assuming you are talking a full second et to et.

What are you running, btw? A well driven 05-up GT should be good for mid thirteens.

AS you said...it probably was the driver....and BTW....the stats TYPES you identify but didn't provide the comparative values for in your first paragraph - I remember reading them as being so close that the preference given to the 370Z was more of a subjective call by the reviewer(s) as both cars' performances were on the whole considered to be nearly equal.

So again as you stated.....the differences you were involved probably had more to do with the driver than by the cars at all.

Best time to date has been a 13.6, on a mediocre track with temps around 98. That was my 3rd drag in the Z ever, launching at 3k and feathering the clutch. The first GT I beat ran a 14.5, not sure on the other two's times because they drove off angrily, I do know that when I crossed the line, the last one I raced was 1.5 cars behind. I dont hate the car, but from reviews and what i've seen first hand, they statistically arent better performers in stock form.

I've yet to race with any kind of weight reduction, seat removal, spare tire, etc, and havent deflated the tires any. I also havent raced with the HFC's and soon to be installed G3's, should be able to get the time down to 13.4/13.3 with cooler temps.

And might I also add, for not having an LSD, she drifts like a champ.

Nice.

Those GT drivers definitely need some work. The 05+ are much faster stock for stock than my 2003 was which I had a best stock time of 13.9 with. Most of the good drivers are in the mid 13s in stock form with those cars at 103-105ish. I'd be interested to know what your friend's 60 foots were as that typically is a good indication of whether or not they know what they are doing (especially compared to you if you are clicking off good 60's).

I think you guys should look at the times my 7 AT 370z sports is running. 12.8009. (elevation 560 ft) (1.97. 60 ft times.)
The time slips are posted in the " drag section ". the car is a stock moter,with stillen exhaust. Berk cats, stillen G3 intake and 4.08 gears. I now have the headers and under size crank pulley, It ran these times on the stock 19 inch factory tires. I now have 18 inch volk t-37's with 305 35 18 drag radials. 12.6;s coming soon. Now when i got to the track the car is lightned by removing the spare tire, front passenger seat, all tools and mats..With the wheels and brail battery the car has lost another 60lbs of weight.
I can also tell you that as the moter gets hot the 370z slows down to 12.95 to 13.20.
I have played with the ecu with my Cobb and it now has the revlimiter set at 8100. Its alot faster now as i wheel hop in first and second gear. I have made my own fuel map for the car but the timming can be adavance yet. RWHP with out the headers and pully is 292. In 'mm" the tranny shifts hard and fast.
A member of our Z club as a 2006 mustang gt and it runs 13.5's to 13.6. It has some mods to it, intake and exhaust.
Sam at GTM will have my SC ready for me by mid April, the car will also have a 2800 to 2900 torque converter in it. It should run 11.7's (GTR times).
I have found that a lot of guys run there cars at the track all tricked out and tell you thats it bone stock. They run lower air presure in there tires and any thing else that they can think of including a flashed ecu.
Its amasing how the guys who think that there cars are fast on the street have cardiac arrest when they get there time slips at the track. Much slower that times that are posted by the car magazines.
I can not wait to get my new maps for the Cobb,.
If any of the mustang guys want to run me N/A or with the SC please let me know.
I look forward to the race at the track.

Ive been out a couple of days getting ready for my move to El Paso TX (people telling me my car will end up in Mexico) but I have to agree with this, the stangs I have beat and again Im not sure if they are 07 08 09s were by over a car length up to about 80 to 90 MPH and I consider that a good win and it could very well be the drivers and the fact that I have an AT and get perfect shifts every time and they may have messed up their shifts but thats part of the game. Im sure the 2011 stang will be a killer but will it be in our caomparison then, no cuz its HP will be way above ours, so it wont be a far comparison then.

Your car is a badass man, I cant wait to see your times at the track with the supercharger installed, you'll probably have the first Z34 in the 11's. I'm waiting on the final numbers from GT's kit as well as Stillens, I already have money put aside for it, the one that puts out the most peak hp/tq numbers reliably will get my hard earned bonus cash. Hopefully one of them makes at least 420whp with at least 350 ft/lbs, to me thats good daily driven reliable power, and good power for the circuit as well.

I'd really like to hear your car in person, I havent heard any aftermarket exhaust systems up close and personal yet and I'm curious about FI's. Have you been looking at places to live yet? I could do some local research for you if you give me and idea of what you're looking for.

I too will be looking closely at the SCs coming out and hope I will be able to afford one. Im looking for more overall HP and TQ gain as a whole thur the whole RPM range on a consistent basis and not an overall HP/TQ peak number. Ive had turbos and not SCs before so Im not real familar with them, so what would be a good HP/TQ gain as a whole thru the RPM range? Again not looking for a peak gain but I guess an average gain that is ther all the time?

No I havent looked yet, my family will stay here for now as I will be going back and forth between GA and there for training. I will be looking for an apt or 1 bedroom place that is furnished. Ive been hearing bad things about El Paso with cars getting stolen and gangs and all but Im sure its no worse than any other city. I have the FI and it sounds very aggressive, the vids on line really dont give the true sound to it, so I will have to come by and let you hear it.

In response to the supercharger power question, both are centrifugal style blowers, so they wont have as much low end torque as a root/screw style, it'll gradually build boost much like a turbo without all the lag, and produce good peak hp. I'd say after 3k, it should pull pretty hard. In reference to the auto theft, there are a few gated apartment communities here if that will give you piece of mind. Our Z club meets every sunday, so hopefully you'll come out and cruise with us, theres some good mountain runs here that'll get your blood flowin, only bad part is that you'll notice a definite loss of power from your car, we're a mile up here.

Here's a thread with some pics from a few of our cruises.

http://www.the370z.com/members-370z-...re-thread.html

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...6/DSCN0311.jpg

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/g...eb577bc6c0.jpg

I will definatley show for the GTGs, like I said before, they are lame here with no GTGs for the Zs. I will still be holding my house here in GA so I wont be able to afford a nice gated community, just lookin for a fairly cheap clean safe place till the family moves down, nothin special. I can live and have lived in some crapy places and I dont mind as long as they are clean. Living in tents and all while deployed a few times can teach you to live down if need be.

My Apartments are literally out the back gate of Bliss, 1 bedrooms here are pretty cheap, havent had my car stolen yet, might be something to check out. Most of the tenants here are military including myself. Here's a link..

Timberwolf Apartments for Rent | Apartment Finder

sorry for the thread hijack, back on topic!:tup:

*EDIT*
Gah, lots of responses since I typed this - this is in response to Z eliminators post about his drag strip times.

Im assuming your 60' times are 1.97...and not .97. That'd make a lot more sense.

On the other hand, I cant help but ask...why do we need to look at your times? Anyone with experience knows what the car is "GOOD" to run with a decent driver (I won't touch the whole fact that AT's are easier to launch than the M6). The times you're running seem right on line with what they should be for someone with experience, especially with those big-*** DR's you're using.

No surprise on the heat soak issues...thats any car that gets hot, but as we all know, the 370's particularly susceptible to it...

I don't know, I guess I'm missing the purpose of the post lol.