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Equinox 12-28-2009 10:14 AM

Motul RBF600 + XP10 + XP8 as well. Was gonna big brake is but went with a new computer, haha. PM from forged please!

RCZ 12-28-2009 12:16 PM

Look at what I started Shariff! I should get a discount for being your catalyst!

Maybe add a little Stage 1,2,3,etc Brake upgrade package to your 370z offerings?

vipor 12-28-2009 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ (Post 345501)
Look at what I started Shariff! I should get a discount for being your catalyst!

Maybe add a little Stage 1,2,3,etc Brake upgrade package to your 370z offerings?

:rofl2:

JB-370z 12-28-2009 12:32 PM

Its very hard for me to believe that there was no fade at all, and then all of a sudden...BAM....no brakes, hahaha... What a thing to say to get out of being at fault for a crash. Who knows maybe it is true but hard for me to belive. There should be some bit of noticable failure or fade before the brakes go out like this due to pads. Everyone can speculate but no one will ever truly know but the driver of this car.

370Zsteve 12-28-2009 01:47 PM

I don't recall any other mags having this issue while testing Z's. Not a big fan of C&D with the new editorial staff & writers, either.

WTF is with the way they do comparo tests now, they have subjective categories like "gotta have it" that can tip the scales from one car to another...that's why the G37 barely lost to the 3-series last time :shakes head:

370Zsteve 12-28-2009 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz (Post 345053)
If this is the case, then I would have to agree that Nissan has to re-evaluate the pads in the Nismo and Sport package. I think they both (at least the Nismo) should be track ready - including break pads and fluid.

So why isn't this an issue with any other car they tested? Does every other manufacturer deliver track prepped cars for these tests? Or is C&D truly correct in their assessment of how dramatic the onset and severity of the brake fade occurrence with stock pads?

Good points. The Nismo has been marketed as track-ready from day one, as far as I can tell. Nissan even released a statement awhile back that indicated they expected most Nismos to either be put into collections or raced by enthusiasts.

And I too would want to know if other cars in the test were prepped in any way, or were these cars bought through normal channels (As they should be).

If it's Nissan's fault again then that makes two enormous marketing blunders with these cars since their debut a year ago...the first being the fiasco when they delivered oil cooler-equipped cars to the media.

Lug 12-28-2009 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 345666)
Good points. The Nismo has been marketed as track-ready from day one, as far as I can tell.

Possible, but I've never seen an offical Nissan statement to this effect, just a lot of "it should be" type statements. If they do claim "track ready", I agree, huge blunder.

kannibul 12-28-2009 02:22 PM

PM price too...More interested in pads than fluid, so price fluid seperate :)

Thanks!

Sharif@Forged 12-28-2009 03:14 PM

PM's sent guys. You guys are funny. Ryan is adding the items to the website right now, but just call in if you'd like to order. Ryan, Decker, or Sandy can take the order.

vipor 12-28-2009 03:22 PM

i didn't get a PM about the pads/fluid :crying:

Sharif@Forged 12-28-2009 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by vipor (Post 345767)
i didn't get a PM about the pads/fluid :crying:


Thanks for all the pm's guys.

Z370man 12-28-2009 06:17 PM

I just read the C&D article and after listening to you guys who have run on the track I am going to replace my pads with some higher rated track spec ones. I found this link on disassembly/re-assembly: http://http://blogs.insideline.com/r...ge-part-1.html

I too thought my Nismo had kickass brakes. I am just coming out of the brake-in period so I have not done any hard driving yet - good thing.

MightyBobo 12-28-2009 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Z370man (Post 346062)
I just read the C&D article and after listening to you guys who have run on the track I am going to replace my pads with some higher rated track spec ones. I found this link on disassembly/re-assembly: http://http://blogs.insideline.com/r...ge-part-1.html

I too thought my Nismo had kickass brakes. I am just coming out of the brake-in period so I have not done any hard driving yet - good thing.

The 370Z, including the Nismo, are both great STREET cars. Yeah, rightfully so, people are annoyed it overheats so easily. But, brakes are an obvious upgrade that should be considered mandatory before any track event...street pads just cant hold up like track ones can...same goes for the fluid of course.

FWIW, this is what can happen when you try to use street pads on a track.

http://images49.fotki.com/v1503/phot...po09097-vi.jpg
http://images46.fotki.com/v1506/phot...po09098-vi.jpg

The pads actually lit on fire, caused the caliper piston to seize in the full-out position, and then melted around the calipers piston. The fire ended up melting and rupturing the brake line, causing him to lose all fluid. Luckily, all this didn't happen until right after he got off the track, or it would have been devastating.

nicknick 12-28-2009 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by pulpz (Post 344461)
C&D claims it was a hardware failure, while Nissan just says the pad isn't designed for track use. There is no specific statement identifying the hardware component that failed ( i.e. cracked brake pad, ruptured brake line, piston assembly. etc. - so abruptly as C&D claims.) Nissan simply states the brake pads are not designed for track use - implying a position of no liability, not specificity identifying the pad as a failed component.

I think until C&D goes into more detail regarding the investigation, I have to call ******** on this as well.

:iagree:

370Zsteve 12-28-2009 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 346076)
The 370Z, including the Nismo, are both great STREET cars. Yeah, rightfully so, people are annoyed it overheats so easily. But, brakes are an obvious upgrade that should be considered mandatory before any track event...street pads just cant hold up like track ones can...same goes for the fluid of course.

FWIW, this is what can happen when you try to use street pads on a track.

http://images49.fotki.com/v1503/phot...po09097-vi.jpg
http://images46.fotki.com/v1506/phot...po09098-vi.jpg

The pads actually lit on fire, caused the caliper piston to seize in the full-out position, and then melted around the calipers piston. The fire ended up melting and rupturing the brake line, causing him to lose all fluid. Luckily, all this didn't happen until right after he got off the track, or it would have been devastating.

All well and good, but the 370Z was still the only car that had this problem. I'm just sayin'...every other car seems to have made it through to the end. (Just finished reading the entire article, came in the mail today)


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