Why no comparison with Lexus IS or Infiniti Q50?

P's_Z · 11-22-2016, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ZeeBabar

How do the Lexus or Infiniti cars compare with the Z. Would someone with a 2014+ model consider it a trade up or down if it's to a used IS 250, a Q50, IS 350 with the same mileage?

My wife has a 2014 is250 fsport, and i can tell you, there is no way in hell to compare these 2 cars. In terms of luxury, the lexus has the advantage, but in terms of performance, it falls way short of the Z.

Luxury and comfort=lexus
Raw driving experience and performance=Z

What you want most in a car will determine if its and upgrade or a downgrade.

ME:
Z > lexus

mishuko · 11-22-2016, 09:28 AM

2008 is250 and a 2014 is350 awd f sport.

While the new iteration of the IS is comfortable, quiet, smooth the throttle response is laggy. And that's with sport+ on.

Then you have the body roll.

Then you have the tires.

Then you also have the automatic transmission that isn't the same as z auto. It's so... soft and slow. Even in tip tronic mode.

And believe me when I say this. Once you're moving over 50mph the z feels nicer on pulls from mid range rpm.

But these are two separate cars in two different car segments. Not the marketing segments that companies attempt to reclassify. This is a sports coupe vs luxury sport sedan.

ViCiouS · 11-22-2016, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

.90g? Ummm. It's .94g on a base Z .99g on a sport. 1g on a Nismo.

In this particular test the sport touring got 1.01g

Infiniti G vs Nissan 370Z

I was using direct comparison for the two on the exact same skid pad. Using other side numbers is irrelevant as it's not apples to apples.

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

2015 Nissan 370Z vs. 2015 Porsche Macan Turbo | REVdata

Here's an PDK macan vs a MANUAL 370z.
The manual Z gets to 60 in 4.9. An auto Z gets to 60 in .3 seconds faster which equals 4.6. The same time as the Macan. So with transmission being equal it's a drivers race and the Z out handles the Macan by a HUGE MARGIN!

You realize rev data scrapes from manufactures given information right? So, congrats, you're looking at listed numbers and not actual test data. And test results go to show it doesn't actually out handle by a huge margin. But we can go off of manufacturer numbers anyways and you're wrong again. Sport+ mode on the PDK is 4.2 0-60.

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

You can't be serious? If you are, then you are missing the point of owning a true sports car. Yes, there are sedans and SUV's that are faster with great skid pad performance, but the feel is completely and I mean completely different. It's not about the numbers and how good it looks on paper. It's like comparing a horse to a camel. Trained race camels have been known to be faster than horses on occasion but which would you rather ride? Which looks more graceful and has a better feel? LOL.

PS: By the way, your skidpad numbers are wrong.

Enjoy reading up on some equal comparisons, I never said that was max lat g's that either vehicle is capable of. But what I provided is on an equal skid pad that's the difference, so no, they are not wrong, 0.01g difference. You're right, this is about equal tests on road/track environment not just paper.
Porsche Macan Turbo Reviews - Porsche Macan Turbo Price, Photos, and Specs - Car and Driver
Nissan Z Reviews - Nissan Z Price, Photos, and Specs - Car and Driver
Infiniti Q50 Reviews - Infiniti Q50 Price, Photos, and Specs - Car and Driver

Or try watching a video or a macan without sport chrono (aka slower version)?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RVr8XkeuKA

I was simply using the Macan Turbo (an SUV) as an example of why you can compare a sports car to a saloon because I know details on the Macan. Please see signature if you think I dunno the point of a sports car

UNKNOWN_370 · 11-22-2016, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cyber370

You can't be serious? If you are, then you are missing the point of owning a true sports car. Yes, there are sedans and SUV's that are faster with great skid pad performance, but the feel is completely and I mean completely different. It's not about the numbers and how good it looks on paper. It's like comparing a horse to a camel. Trained race camels have been known to be faster than horses on occasion but which would you rather ride? Which looks more graceful and has a better feel? LOL.

PS: By the way, your skidpad numbers are wrong.

Not only are his skidpad numbers wrong. But both vehicles in automatic get to 60 in exactly the same time. 4.6 with roll-out.

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11-22-2016, 09:28 AM	#17 (permalink)
mishuko A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: bouncin on tigga Posts: 8,062 Drives: '12 Z Rep Power: 9434	2008 is250 and a 2014 is350 awd f sport. While the new iteration of the IS is comfortable, quiet, smooth the throttle response is laggy. And that's with sport+ on. Then you have the body roll. Then you have the tires. Then you also have the automatic transmission that isn't the same as z auto. It's so... soft and slow. Even in tip tronic mode. And believe me when I say this. Once you're moving over 50mph the z feels nicer on pulls from mid range rpm. But these are two separate cars in two different car segments. Not the marketing segments that companies attempt to reclassify. This is a sports coupe vs luxury sport sedan.