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370bluez 10-13-2016 12:23 PM

Is the market for the Zs really soft right now?
 
I am having a really tough time with mine at the moment. I am listed below others on CL I have a pretty unique option/mileage/shape combo and decent pics.

Not getting much traction. I dicked around some local dealers also and I have been told that the market for the Zs is really soft at the moment. Not sure if that is just Dealer BS talk or just the situation in general.

I think being at close to 50% of MSRP after 6500 miles would win some ppl over but nope.

Let me know your thoughts guys...

madeinjapan 10-13-2016 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3565823)
I am having a really tough time with mine at the moment. I am listed below others on CL I have a pretty unique option/mileage/shape combo and decent pics.

Not getting much traction. I dicked around some local dealers also and I have been told that the market for the Zs is really soft at the moment. Not sure if that is just Dealer BS talk or just the situation in general.

I think being at close to 50% of MSRP after 6500 miles would win some ppl over but nope.

Let me know your thoughts guys...

its winter now ?

Dirk McGurck 10-13-2016 01:02 PM

I know east coast isn't exactly booming for sports car sales going into Winter.

jaytirbhaw 10-13-2016 01:04 PM

Its dealer bs talk. I would list it on ebay.

370bluez 10-13-2016 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by madeinjapan (Post 3565836)
its winter now ?

What's that?

I am in California...

njobe89 10-13-2016 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3565853)
What's that?

I am in California...

it's this thing... wait idk either i'm in atlanta :rofl2:

barncobob 10-13-2016 02:22 PM

post some pics, mods, anything that's unique to the car and the forum will chime in good or bad..

s2krazyyy 10-13-2016 03:23 PM

http://www.the370z.com/370z-sale/117...ea-ca-25k.html

Looks like a pretty sweet deal to me. Someone is bound to jump on it just be patient.

Larso1 10-13-2016 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3565853)
What's that?

I am in California...

It's where the outside temp tends to fall below 32-deg.f. for extended periods of time, and small white flakes fall from the sky. But never mind about that now. Two things that may be influencing a buyers decision about your car is the bold blue color (which I happen to personally kind of like), and the auto trans, which I don't. Sports car buyers traditionally like std. transmissions....ok, so I'm old. But the price is in the ballpark for the year. I also have a '12 Z, Touring and Sports packages and I paid $26K last year off the dealers lot with 10.7k on the odometer. Maybe could've talked them down another $1k if I had played harder to get. I had the impression it had been on the lot for a little while...

ViCiouS 10-13-2016 04:48 PM

You can get 2016s with sport/touring/tech for $27 -28k with under 10k miles. Personally I'd pay 2-3k more for a 4 year newer car.

mikewo6o 10-13-2016 06:54 PM

FWIW, I was offered $22.5 and $23.5 respectively at a Honda Dealer and a Buick/GMC dealer in our area a couple months ago for a trade-in. My Z is a 2014 PW automatic base with 5K miles. Decided to pass on both offers only because we decided to not trade at the time.

Both offers were on the high side of the KBB trade-in estimate via their website.

I paid $29K new in early 2014. I really didn't think the offers were all that bad.

sofaonasock 10-13-2016 07:18 PM

Have you tried CarMax? Would the offer have been better as a 6MT?

370bluez 10-14-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ViCiouS (Post 3565938)
You can get 2016s with sport/touring/tech for $27 -28k with under 10k miles. Personally I'd pay 2-3k more for a 4 year newer car.

I'd like to see a link to one. I have not seen a single 2016 under 30k that has the same options.

370bluez 10-14-2016 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by sofaonasock (Post 3566024)
Have you tried CarMax? Would the offer have been better as a 6MT?

Yep their offer was laughable :( .

Local dealer offered 1k more

370bluez 10-14-2016 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mikewo6o (Post 3566006)
FWIW, I was offered $22.5 and $23.5 respectively at a Honda Dealer and a Buick/GMC dealer in our area a couple months ago for a trade-in. My Z is a 2014 PW automatic base with 5K miles. Decided to pass on both offers only because we decided to not trade at the time.

Both offers were on the high side of the KBB trade-in estimate via their website.

I paid $29K new in early 2014. I really didn't think the offers were all that bad.

Your offers are 3-4K higher than what I'm getting ... and you have a lower spec car ... interesting

Magic Bus 10-14-2016 04:27 PM

370bluez, To answer your initial question, I do believe the market is soft for Z's now. But not just Z's, 2 door sports cars are in a niche market, and I believe this market has gotten smaller over the years. I follow a Porsche forum, and talk about taking a hit. Cayman owners have it much worse than us Z owners.

I have a feeling that your color, while very nice, may not be appreciated by a large percent of the buyers out there. Also keep in mind, the added features/options that you have in your car which you paid for, depreciates a lot and may not mean much to a buyer in the secondary market.

I am looking to sell my Z next year, so I've been checking Craigslist occasionally, and it doesn't look favorable here either. Good luck on your sale.

mikewo6o 10-14-2016 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3566237)
Your offers are 3-4K higher than what I'm getting ... and you have a lower spec car ... interesting

I agree. I was surprised at the two offers I received. I was expecting something in the high teens. Also, in both cases, the Honda and Buick/GMC dealers were both giving decent discounts on the two vehicles we were interested in. In the end, we decided to hang on to the Z for another year.

BehindSpace 10-15-2016 06:16 AM

The market for Zs is always soft. The higher the trim the worse the depreciation too. Chop 10,000 off a nismo the moment you drive it off the lot.

ChopsZ 10-15-2016 10:20 AM

The fact that it's an AT7 doesn't help matters any. I too am old school and firmly believe that a sports car should only come with a MT. The closest thing I'd ever get to an AT is a sequential transmission, and that's still a manual. Flappy paddle autos don't count either.

The blue color, I could take it or leave it. Maybe if I were younger, I'd be more willing to buy blue.

At any rate, good luck on selling it.

Ventruck 10-15-2016 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ViCiouS (Post 3565938)
You can get 2016s with sport/touring/tech for $27 -28k with under 10k miles. Personally I'd pay 2-3k more for a 4 year newer car.

What the ****. I need to move to the East coast.

I'm like OP in California. Paid that much for a 2013 S&T @ 30k miles earlier this year, albeit from a used dealer. I couldn't find any better deal in sight at the time.

crazy4oldcars 10-15-2016 04:04 PM

This one's an AT7, but that seems to be all that's being offered around here:
Cars for Sale: Used 2016 Nissan 370Z in Coupe, McKinney TX: 75069 Details - Coupe - Autotrader

Mr Chow 10-15-2016 06:06 PM

OP I'm in CA. April 2016 I purchased a 2014 touring, sport, 7AT, 8,100 mi. One owner, dealer maintained and certified (couple oil changes) $27,750 plus tax title etc. your asking price seems fair. I flew from the Bay Area to SoCal and drove back.

DavidZ370 10-15-2016 07:37 PM

Welcome to the world of owning a nissan, as much as i love these cars and still do ) this was my only gripe, the value of these cars goes to **** with a few exceptions such as the (240z HR 350 r34) now i know that buying a car is by no means an investment but darn man **** happens and once you are off the lot these things go for pennies on the dollar. Good luck with the sale man its a beauty of a car.

enkei2k 10-16-2016 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ViCiouS (Post 3565938)
You can get 2016s with sport/touring/tech for $27 -28k with under 10k miles. Personally I'd pay 2-3k more for a 4 year newer car.

salvage titled maybe...

370bluez 10-16-2016 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3566586)
The fact that it's an AT7 doesn't help matters any. I too am old school and firmly believe that a sports car should only come with a MT. The closest thing I'd ever get to an AT is a sequential transmission, and that's still a manual. Flappy paddle autos don't count either.

The blue color, I could take it or leave it. Maybe if I were younger, I'd be more willing to buy blue.

At any rate, good luck on selling it.

Right transmission choice is a preference if everyone wanted a manual they wouldn't sell automatics. It is what it is, this is like saying my dog got run over by a red car therefore every red car is worth nothing to me

370bluez 10-16-2016 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Chow (Post 3566701)
OP I'm in CA. April 2016 I purchased a 2014 touring, sport, 7AT, 8,100 mi. One owner, dealer maintained and certified (couple oil changes) $27,750 plus tax title etc. your asking price seems fair. I flew from the Bay Area to SoCal and drove back.

Dang that's 4K more than I'm asking ... but yea seems about right

ChopsZ 10-16-2016 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3566823)
Right transmission choice is a preference if everyone wanted a manual they wouldn't sell automatics. It is what it is, this is like saying my dog got run over by a red car therefore every red car is worth nothing to me

Hey, I'm just saying... For an enthusiast, they're going for a manual, not an auto. Your average American Joe-Schmoe on the other hand, well you know... Whether that means anything to you or not, then so be it.

It's blue and an auto... Maybe try parking it in front of a nail or hair salon. You might have better luck in those locations.

Larso1 10-16-2016 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3566940)
Hey, I'm just saying... For an enthusiast, they're going for a manual, not an auto. Your average American Joe-Schmoe on the other hand, well you know... Whether that means anything to you or not, then so be it.

It's blue and an auto... Maybe try parking it in front of a nail or hair salon. You might have better luck in those locations.

I think this is pretty much the truth in most cases. My feeling is, again in most cases, those who drive an auto trans sports car were never taught by their dad how to drive a stick. There, I said it. Case in point: my SIL. My son, on the other hand, always insists on a manual in his vehicles. Although maybe that will change when he gets married, for practical reasons, the wife will no doubt insist that her car has an auto.�� But otherwise why would you drive a "true sports car" with an auto trans if a manual was offered? I mean, cars like the Z06 and Viper are only offered with a manual. (Only newer super cars like Ferrari, Lambo, and Porsche notwithstanding since they may not offer a manual in certain models)

Dirk McGurck 10-17-2016 06:17 AM

We should get FPEnvy in here to add to this discussion.

mikewo6o 10-17-2016 08:20 AM

This thread seems to have degenerated into a 6MT vs 7AT.

madeinjapan 10-17-2016 09:18 AM

kids these dayz dont drive stick

DavidZ370 10-17-2016 09:50 AM

The AT is a great trans in the Z cars, however without sounding like an ******* what these guys are saying is that it would be rather easier to sell the 6 speed


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axmea? 10-17-2016 10:56 AM

The new and used market for Z's has been soft for a long, long time. It was never strong to begin with. It is a niche market and the audience dwindles further because it cannot provide what the market wants --- usable rear seats and power (vs its so called American counterparts) and this is one reason why you see the new turbo motor on the the Q. There is a usable rear seat. Nissan never intended to keep up with competitor's upping their game. If they did, we would have seen various upgrades to keep our beeks wet. Nissan got themselves in a tough spot because the car was also priced too high to begin with and there was no indication that sales would go up with increased power. Adding a turbo then would have increased the cost to the consumer potentially hurting sales. There was no money to be made. Ford, Chevy, and Dodge figured it out. Get a big motor and slap it in a car, put decent brakes and suspension and oh, don't forget the rear seats.

For those who like the Z because of it's rarity, you can thank Nissan for that.

In a nutshell why it is soft --- priced too high, never kept up with it's competitors, not enough power, and no usable rear seat (it's just not practical).

370bluez 10-17-2016 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3566940)
Hey, I'm just saying... For an enthusiast, they're going for a manual, not an auto. Your average American Joe-Schmoe on the other hand, well you know... Whether that means anything to you or not, then so be it.

It's blue and an auto... Maybe try parking it in front of a nail or hair salon. You might have better luck in those locations.

Yea I scheduled to get my **** chopped off after the first drive in the automatic Z that is faster and more fuel efficient than the manual counterpart.

Makes perfect sense. :excited:

Chuck33079 10-17-2016 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by axmea? (Post 3567091)
In a nutshell why it is soft --- priced too high, never kept up with it's competitors, not enough power, and no usable rear seat (it's just not practical).

:iagree:

Plus, it's an old car now. It's more or less identical to the same car you could have driven home in late 2008.

madeinjapan 10-17-2016 02:44 PM

when zilvia can afford them the market will explode

ChopsZ 10-17-2016 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3567183)
Yea I scheduled to get my **** chopped off after the first drive in the automatic Z that is faster and more fuel efficient than the manual counterpart.

Makes perfect sense. :excited:

You really have no clue.

For one, it's only faster in a drag race, in a bone stock Z. Who gives a rats a$$ about drag racing in a Z? Almost no one.

Second, who cares if it's more fuel efficient? Nissan states 18/26 MT6, 19/26 AT7. Wow, one whole mile extra in city. That's going to make a major difference. :rofl2:

Also, IF you're really concerned about fuel efficiency in a sports car, you can easily hypermile with a MT, not so much in an AT. And just by chance, I've been doing a little hypermiling this past week in town, averaging 31 mpg for roughly 100 miles... In town! 31 mpg! And I wasn't even going crazy with it. I was just playing around some with it. Try that with the AT.


But enough of this silly bickering. Since you totally missed my point in my first post, I'll spell it out for you...

Other than possibly women who would gladly go for a blue auto Z, the two types of guys who would be looking for a used Z are either guys who are married and want to get a weekend sports car for a great price, or those younger high school/college guys who are on a tight budget but want to get a Z at a great price. Both of these types of guys are most likely hunting for a MT in their sports car, not an auto.

My argument was never about one transmission being better than the other.

370bluez 10-18-2016 11:55 AM

I don't care about your point. You talked some **** about hair dressers or whatever. You're ragging on the car because it is automatic, I get that it doesn't have a knob to slob, so does everyone else.

They make automatics for a reason and 50% of them are autos, there is no performance detriment from it and only benefits, in a SPORTS car.

This is not an automatic vs manual thread.

madeinjapan 10-18-2016 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 370bluez (Post 3567515)
I don't care about your point. You talked some **** about hair dressers or whatever. You're ragging on the car because it is automatic, I get that it doesn't have a knob to slob, so does everyone else.

They make automatics for a reason and 50% of them are autos, there is no performance detriment from it and only benefits, in a SPORTS car.

This is not an automatic vs manual thread.

:icon14::confused:

EP370z 10-18-2016 12:11 PM

Z car is for 2 different generations. One being tuners. But with them being young. Insurance would be sky high. Second is people older with out kids. They can afford insurance and payment. They may also know little about the history of the z or wanted a Datsun z back in there youth?

But yes a stick shift for older generation is a must. Tuners generation might want the auto.


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