2005 GTO or 2016 Z
 

I am thinking of trading my GTO for a new Z. What do y'all think?

I bought the GTO new and just dont want to dump it for a car I won't like in 24 mo.

Very different cars. If your into the stop light warrior scene you will not be happy with the z. If you are into back road carving you'll love the z. It's outstanding in the curves, but the returns on mods are far less then the platform you'll be leaving behind as far as raw power is concerned.


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Probably the best advice is to take your time. Drive a couple of Z's and think about it. Their are plenty of Z's out there so don't make a bad choice you will regret.

if you GTO is in Mint condition,it won't look out of date until today...

I had a 2006 GTO. It was a good car but I'm liking the Z a bit more.

I think the GTO 2004-2006 will be a classic in about 10-15 years. The Z is a beutaful car I just don't want to be underwhelmed with the drop in HP from the GTO to the Z.

What is your GTO's power.?

400hp

Is it a LS2 one with the ram air? Or a LS1

LS2 from the Corvette.

Keep it.

Troll?

OP had done nothing but talking down the Z.

Op still loves the GTO after 11 years, but Z will bore him in 2 years. I don't see why OP needs to ask our opinion.

Dang, that things got a corvette motor in it.....


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No troll just doing research on the Z before I buy one.
Yes 6.0

No offense to you but your GTO is an outdated looking pos Pontiac with a big engine dropped into it. It's totally nothing special or something I would be that proud of owning. Those cars are totally outdated and are the stereotypical dude with a mullet type of ride. I think you'd be happier with a Mustang or Camaro over a Z.

Thanks for you input. I was hoping to get some good info about the Z. No replacment for displacement. I do think the Z is a beutaful car. I see one or two a day. I see one or two GTO's every 3 mo. Yes it is old so is the 2009 Z but Z looks better IMO

You created this thread to insult our cars, but subtly and gently, so this thread doesn't get derailed so fast and gets locked.

You said:

• GTO is a classic, Z is not
• GTO is rare, Z not as much (although better looking)
• GTO is faster, Z is underwhelming
• GTO ownership for 11 yrs, Z will bore you in 2 yrs

You aren't leading this conversation toward real info and comparison. You just want to :stirthepot:

I test drove a Z today. It drives like a fast fast go kart. Road noise is hi but not to bad.
I like it!

Rock em both!

Your call. I believe with some simple mods and an tune, you'll be happy. Else yoy can get a used corvette in replacement

If you decide to dump the GTO let me know. I would consider taking it off your hands. I could use it as a winter beater.

GTO 6.0L performance is rather lack-luster considering the size of the engine and the small amount of power it produces (only 400 hp) which is typical of American V8's. You can typically find smaller German or Japanese V6's that make the same or more power.

The GTO is rated to do 0-60 mph in 4.6 sec. The Z can do it in 4.5 sec.

The GTO is rated to do the 1/4 mile in 13.5 sec. The Z can do it in 12.9 sec.

In a drag race (stop light warrior), those don't look like winning numbers to me.



With that in mind, I have no idea what MadSciSnails was thinking when he said "If your into the stop light warrior scene you will not be happy with the z".

Plus, the Z is a hell of a lot better looking, better built, lighter, and can go around corners with ease.

But, you all know what they say about opinions...

I'd keep the gto for a weekend car, they're hard to come by in good shape and dealer will not give you anything for it because they think it will be a tough sell

Why the heck is the Z being compared to the GTO. Such disrespect. In a game of F*, Marry, Kill, I'd kill the GTO.

I'm not referring to the car in its stock form. As was stated I'm referring to the gains received dollar for dollar in mods. If you know how to use a wrench 2500 dollars puts you well above the 500 mark with that old Pontiac. That can't be said for the 370. Also without question the Z is far better looking. Through time the Z cars have always been some of the best looking cars on the market IMO. That like most other things is in the eye of the beholder.


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The weight bogs it down, so stock the Z can **** with it on track. But you can modify the GTO to be much faster than a modded Z.

The GTO has no side airbags and lacks a lot if safety features that were standard even in 2005.

Once tracking the GTO is has front suspension and braking issues are a PITA. You'll be spending the same amount of money on gas and insurance.

Z handling is way more direct but power delivery in the GTO is amazing.

You have to deal with CSC issues here. I dunno how real fuel starve is.... I've tried to make it happen and it doesn't happen for me n I drive like a maniacle psychopath sometimes.

It's two different cars. I just don't understand if your car is so old why u want to sell it? Why not just add the Z? It's too different driving experiences. One does not eclipse the other.

The small amount of power per displacement argument with American cars used to be true, but not so much anymore. A 5.0 Mustang GT makes like 430hp these days bone stock, and check out the Focus RS if you want a pocket rocket Z killer. I'm not sure where you're getting your 4.5s and 12.9s numbers from, but those aren't realistic for a Z in stock trim. I've also read 5.2s and high 13s, so take magazine racing for what it's worth... pretty much nothing. Also, the aftermarket for domestics kicks our @ss. No getting around it, dollar per dollar it's waaaaaay cheaper to make big power with a Chevy v8 than anything else. And Ford isn't far behind. Check out American Muscle, CJ Pony Parts, etc. It's almost disgusting the kind of power $5k will buy on a domestic these days, and you can't even get into a Stillen SC kit for our cars for that. At least not if you want to do it right.

The Z is better looking for sure and comes with nicer components than you'd typically find on a domestic unless you shell out for a special edition of some sort.

If its stock, you're sitting somewhere around 350rwhp.

Rough comparison...

370Z - 300rwhp, 3300 lbs
GTO - 350rwhp, 3700lbs

The GTO is much easier to get power out of, obviously. People are reaching 400rwhp+ with cams and bolt-ons. Remember you're comparing two very different vehicles. I've never been a fan of most GM vehicles since they've always felt like they were designed for fatter people, flat/wide seats and whatnot, and felt a bit dull in handling. I do like the C7 Corvette, but that's, again, in a completely different classification. The 370Z can be looked at as a handling car while the GTO can be viewed as a tourer. Both are good cars, just have different purposes. If you want a V8, check out the new Mustang or Camaro. Those are pretty sweet from what I've seen.

Thanks for all the info. I might keep the GTO and sale my 2012 Suzuki Equator pickup (is a clone of the Nissan Frontier) and buy the silver Z.

The GTO is a Australia mfg car by Holdon.

If I was the OP, I'd snag a new Mustang GT. Those things are beautiful, can make stupid power and are fun to drive. No, not the same driving experience as a 370z, but still a pretty good one nonetheless, as compared to previous iterations.

What is the CSC issue?

Test drive the new ats-v. I think it'll definitely change your perception of gm cars. I was thoroughly impressed (as I was with the new camaro ss). Only problem with the latter is it's very impractical. The caddy on the other hand has plenty of room, but a price tag of about 20K more.

the consecutive slave cylinder, is the device lokated btw the clutch pressure plate and the manual transmission, its function is to press the clutch pressure plate, this item is made mostly out of plastic and rubber, the rubber part inside is the seal that keeps the fluid from comming out, after a while, metal shavings inside the csc develop and destroy the rubber causing a leak, or the plastic housing cracks causing a leak.

in order to avoid this, you can do few things, DONT ride the clutch and flush fluid eveey 12k miles or so. Sometimes its just a bad cqc from the factory, but most last.

i am at 45k miles going strong in NYC traffic every day so far. I clutch a LOT so there.

Shiiiiiiiet.... Here, the ATS-V, when nicely appointed, is 40k more than a Nismo. Maybe more. :eek:

I will get a auto if I buy one.

I would loooooove to know where you got your numbers from. Because those numbers sound like a Z with intake/exhaust before a tune.

The only Z going to 60 in 4.6 seconds is the auto, when the stars moon and quasars alone if you're not taking off with a foot of roll-out.

12.9 quarters. Again you have to own a auto for it to be 13.1. Which is achievable on the regular.

13.0 when the stars and moons and quasars align12.9 with intake exhaust and no tune. From a roll the Z can keep up with or beat a GTO off the line if you own a auto you can run with a gto.

If you own a manual z you're looking at 13.3 and to 60 about 5.0 sec flat. You are right about opinions but your facts are all off.

I'm not talking about the new American V8's, I'm referring to the ones that were available around the time of the OP's 2005 GTO.




All of this is sheer nonsense, and I'm not going to get into a debate about it either.

Any competent driver with a manual and good traction can meet those numbers. It has nothing to do with magazine reviews or an automatic transmission. Hell, there's even multiple threads on this very forum with members posting those numbers in their totally stock MT Z's. All you have to do is do a search.

Now all of a sudden it's an impossible task and those numbers can only be achieved under extremely perfect and/or bazaar conditions?

Oh, and let's not forget the extra 40 lbs or so for the AT as well as the greater drivetrain loss over the MT.

Either way, it boils down to which driver is better, and who cares anyway? Does it really matter that much?

In the end, my facts are NOT "all wrong".

My A4 2006 stock GTO ran 13.29 @106. That was considered a fast run for that car. They do seem to pull good on the top end.