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I'm as competent as it gets. The fastest I pushed my car doing about 20 runs was 13.0 before mods. It was one out of 20.

It matters when you're kicking inaccuracies about BOTH vehicles. I have seat time in both. I have over 5 years in my Z.


All I have to do is search? I've been here since the beginning my man. I know everyone here who has put a credible time down. But anyway....

Some of us don't have to fanboy up and make up numbers to feel pride for our cars... others not so much.

I'd keep it on the basis of this alone. It's a "good" car from a defunct company. Eventually it will be a classic and as long as you enjoy it now, ride it out until it becomes said classic.

Yeah well, just because you've been here since the beginning doesn't prove anything. I'm not a fanboy of anyone or anything, whether you believe that or not. Doesn't really matter to me. I'm just stating what I've read from multiple sources on multiple occasions over the years. Inaccuracies according to who? At this point, it's pretty much a he said/she said thing.

Funny, back in 2010 when people were posting those exact numbers on this forum, they weren't catching any flack about it.

BTW, just because you've owned your Z for 5 years doesn't mean you're the best driver out there for the Z either. But you know what, I don't know anything about you nor do you know anything about me, so let's just leave it at that. Enough of this bickering.

Lol.... the only one bickering is you. I may or may not be the best driver of my Z. But I've pushed it to its limits. Some of my acquaintances here have pushed it to the limits. I'm only speaking on PROVEABLE sources.

But whatever dude. Knock out another 10 paragraphs to say absolutely nothing.

Peace.

Here's one place, take your pick of 0-60 times depending on year and trim level. Looks like the earlier year 370z's are the quickest:

Nissan 0-60 Times & Nissan Quarter Mile Times | Nissan GT-R, 370Z, Maxima, Altima, Pathfinder, Murano & more 0 to 60 stats!

Can't vouch for the sources, but are supposed to be from major car mags. Also, don't forget the effects of elevation above sea level. You lose about 3% hp for every 1000-ft rise in elevation, cumulative. Unless, of course, you have forced induction. I'm at 4700-ft above SL. You really notice the difference, even seat of the pants acceleration.

Having owned both, I've gotta be honest with you. I do truly love my Z, but if my former GTO were a 6 speed, I'd kept it over the 6 speed Z that I currently have.

It's a very nice car. Interior appointments, comfort, a rear seat, and tire shredding performance. The car is pretty reliable as well. Surprisingly, it handled very well also. The Z does handle better, but the GTO is no slouch in that department.

Here is where your challenge will be. The GTO was last produced in 2006, so it'll be hard to find one with low miles and in good shape. I would under no circumstances purchase a used GTO that has been modified. People do pound the hell out of them. If you can't find a very nice low mileage example of the GTO, keep the Z.

He has a GTO and thinking of purchasing a Z.

This source takes roll-out times modded and not modded. No way to know if there was intake n exhaust or suspension upgrades. You can get up to .3 seconds more acceleration times on a suspension upgrade alone. Which on a track one might call stock but is still modified

This source is exactly why I said what I said.

He owns the GTO already

Don't want to bash a GM muscle car, but the late model GTO's were not only the end of a GM model badge, but on top of that were an Ausie production model used to reduce development costs for an American product. I have serious reservations about the future collectibility of these imports. Hey, how about a '69 Firebird with built up 400ci and 4-spd?? Oh yah! (YMMV)

Keep the GTO & buy a Z, that way you've got a stoplight/highway warrior with room for the family, and a canyon carver for the weekend.

Agree.

Don't think you will get much for the goat trade in. Might as well keep it if you don't need the money.

Where on this web site does it say that? WTF are you talking about?

The site clearly states that they gather their information off of thousands of periodicals around the world. So we dont know if the cars are fully stock or have been mildly modified for specific tracks. While you can call those cars generically stock, unless they provide a source?
Some tracks will consider some types of mods as stock, hence this site being inaccurate for a baseline 0-60 time. We can only determine this with direct sources that verbally or in writing say these are stock times, as we know stock.

I have had a offer of $12,000 in trade for the GTO. It has 68K miles.
I could sale it for $14,000.

LOL! Yeah, okay. :rolleyes:

I used to own a 2005 GTO auto when I was in college. It was a great car, fast in a straight line, looked and sounded great (corsa cat back). Having owned 2 Z's now, I'd definitely pick the Z over the GTO any day. I just enjoy driving it more than the GTO. The Z doesn't throw my head back as much as the GTO did, but every other aspect of the car definitely makes up for it. You're not going to beat everyone at the redlight in the Z, but you'll have a lot more fun driving it as the sports car that it is.
My first Z was a 2015 base model, I almost immediately wanted to upgrade the rear tires, brakes, and suspension. I ended up trading it in for a 2016 Sport model so I could have all those things and the rev match, and man was it worth it!

Not necessarily. The new Camaros are basically the GTO that has been reworked. Pontiac then carried it over to the G8 in a 4 door model, and the new Chevy SS is basically the same thing as the G8. The fact that it was the last 2 door V8 car that Pontiac produced and the fact that Pontiac is no longer in business means well for the collectibility (<- is that a word?) of the car in the future... I carry a heavy hand in the muscle car market, and have a pretty keen eye when it comes to collectibles and their future value. I currently own a 1970 GS 455 Stage1, a 70 Ford Torino Cobra 429, a 1969 Road Runner Convertible 4sp A/C (1 of 17 produced), and a 71 Cuda. Over $200,000 worth of vintage muscle cars, and I got there by knowing what to buy, and what to sell at the right time. My Pops and I restored everything except the GS, and are currently restoring the Cuda ourselves. No way I could own these cars by buying them outright...

I do like your idea of a 69 Firebird, though... My Pops used to own a 1967 Camaro SS 375hp 396...

Buy low sell high...how can i possibly lose!!! :icon14:

LOL. I've had my share of losses too. I also have a 1984 El Camino SS with a TPI from a 91 Corvette. I have waaaaaay more money tied up in that car than it'll ever be worth. The 1980's sucked for American performance...

So did the 90's. And the mid through late 70's. And early 2000's. And the 50's and 60's if you cared about things like turning and stopping.:bowrofl:

Haha. True. Most of my cars besides the Z, don't turn or stop. AT ALL!!!

idk why it's driving me crazy, but it is lol. it's spelled beautiful and you're not going to sale your car, you are going to sell your car.

CEDZz34 so you think the GTO will be a classic soon?

I found a deep blue pearl 2016 sport with 2500 miles for $29000. Good price?

Sorry it took me so long to reply...
I think the GTO will be a classic, but it'll take longer than 10 years. This is part of the reason I decided to go ahead and trade mine it. Possibly 20-30 years from now it will be of very significant value since Pontiac is out of business and the GTO is the last 2 door V8 car that they made, and there was never a V6 version of the car. That and the fact that it was so underappreciated when it was being made kept production numbers down. This will hurt the current Camaro as a collector car. There are so many of those cars made and sold, and the fact that there is such a large aftermarket offering for it, it will be hard to find an unmodified Camaro in the future. The hard part for restorers will be finding parts that far into the future.

Your thoughts?

I think you are correct.

I would say keep the GTO

We live in very different times. I don't think there are many modern cars that will become classics including the GTO. Just buy what you like and enjoy it. Don't keep a car just because there may be a very minute possibility that it may go up in value one day. You will usually find yourself on the losing end.


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I agree with this, at least relative to the Holden Monaro-based GTO. I just don't think the intrinsic value is there, being an Australian mfr. It certainly does outperform any original '60's and '70's GTO, but collectors may view it as not a "real" GTO. On a related note, I'm still waiting for my 1960 Edsel Ranger and my 1988 Pontiac Fiero GT to bring all the money at Barrett-Jackson though. Does anyone know Wayne Carini's cell number?......j/k

Found a used 2014 base auto silver with 7500 on her for 22900 good price?

If it doesn't have the sport package, it's not worth buying.

save your money and keep the gto! i had a 2014 nismo and it felt slow!!!

You must not know how to drive then cuz the Z when you shift over 6,000 rpm in feel. Feels stupid fast. Especially when you drive with the windows open. You need an exhaust mod though to add to the drama.

Anyone who says the Z feels slow hasn't driven one properly. And judging by yout car. Which I adore EVO's. The turbos provide a fast feel for you with low effort so it is logical you would say that. But it's slower than a Z unmodded. A GTO is a drivers race on a Z. The EVO loses steam at 90 when the Z is Still in its first wind. Then the Z catches a second win at 135mph. It kinda has a smoother easier feel from 115 to 134. You gotta play with gears in there to make it feel like something. Maybe over 120 the GTO will dominate a Z. But 0-120. The Z can fairly easily keep up at minimum, if not beat the GTO by a car length.

Keep it I will.

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Does H signify anything outside of bumping a dead thread?

Just as a side note, don't know if anyone has mentioned that GM is pulling its Holden mfrg division in Australia (Ford and Toyota too). No more Holden brand cars/trucks. May get hard to find parts for the Holden brand?

http://www.autonews.com/article/2014...ay-of-the-dodo

Holden is just GM parts bin. It won't be too bad of an issue