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Karnak 11-25-2016 02:32 AM

oh..."Beasts"....that's not what I had read...carry on...

shirokenkami 11-25-2016 08:42 AM

As someone who has spent a considerable amount of time in the auto industry, Chrysler products are the worst garbage one could ask for on such a competitive market. How they've managed to stay afloat is beyond me.

NTMG 11-25-2016 08:44 AM

That is why I did not buy the Challenger.

BehindSpace 11-25-2016 04:12 PM

the srt is a different leage than the 370z, if the prices are close get the challenger

shirokenkami 11-25-2016 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BehindSpace (Post 3582047)
the srt is a different leage than the 370z, if the prices are close get the challenger

Eh, not really. The Z(Non-Nismo) is rated at 10.1 lbs per HP versus the Challenger SRT8 which 8.9 lbs per HP. The Z will absolutely smoke a Challenger in a Auto-X or Road Course as the Challenger is just too much of a pig.

Karnak 11-25-2016 09:35 PM

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Originally Posted by shirokenkami (Post 3582078)
Eh, not really. The Z(Non-Nismo) is rated at 10.1 lbs per HP versus the Challenger SRT8 which 8.9 lbs per HP. The Z will absolutely smoke a Challenger in a Auto-X or Road Course as the Challenger is just too much of a pig.

Isn't it the other way around?

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An excellent case in point is the relationship between a vehicle's curb weight and its power and torque outputs. The oft-referenced power-to-weight ratio has always made more sense to me when expressed as weight-to-power, where I can see exactly how many pounds each horsepower (or pound-foot of torque) is being asked to lug.

Directly from: Top performance car power-to-weight ratios under $100k, $50k and $25k - Autoblog
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As you can see in the lists on that site: the lower the number usually means the faster accelerating car, thus in this case, it appears the challenger outpulls the 370z just based on the stats you posted unless I don't understand correctly. Don't get me wrong, though, I'd take the 370z over the challenger any day...;)...I just like refinement of the suspension more than brute force...;)

shirokenkami 11-26-2016 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 3582163)
Isn't it the other way around?

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An excellent case in point is the relationship between a vehicle's curb weight and its power and torque outputs. The oft-referenced power-to-weight ratio has always made more sense to me when expressed as weight-to-power, where I can see exactly how many pounds each horsepower (or pound-foot of torque) is being asked to lug.

Directly from: Top performance car power-to-weight ratios under $100k, $50k and $25k - Autoblog
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As you can see in the lists on that site: the lower the number usually means the faster accelerating car, thus in this case, it appears the challenger outpulls the 370z just based on the stats you posted unless I don't understand correctly. Don't get me wrong, though, I'd take the 370z over the challenger any day...;)...I just like refinement of the suspension more than brute force...;)

Oh no, you are correct. I was saying that the difference is really not all that much in power to weight ratio. The Z's lighter weight will allow it to enter the corners far faster and while the Mopar may have marginally better power to weight it will be a bear in a race that requires cornering speed. In a drag showdown the SRT would beat the Z but in a Road Race or Auto-X the Z would dominate the SRT. I mean if you look at Auto-X, one of the top dominator in it is the MX5.

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by shirokenkami (Post 3582231)
In a drag showdown the SRT would beat the Z

I beg to differ... In fact, I beg to differ at least 5 times. Ask me how I know. Even in a 1/4 mile. Even when the Challenger SRT8 had a CAI, tune and was an auto.

shirokenkami 11-26-2016 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3582257)
I beg to differ... In fact, I beg to differ at least 5 times. Ask me how I know. Even in a 1/4 mile. Even when the Challenger SRT8 had a CAI, tune and was an auto.

Too true I suppose when you account for gearing and MANY other factors. I was just going off of purely power to weight ratio but I am ignorant when it comes to drag racing, by choice. :p

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shirokenkami (Post 3582259)
Too true I suppose when you account for gearing and MANY other factors. I was just going off of purely power to weight ratio but I am ignorant when it comes to drag racing, by choice. :p

I've done all kinds of racing, so it all kind of comes natural to me by now. Even did some stupid illegal racing back in my youth that I'm not proud of.

shirokenkami 11-26-2016 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3582262)
Even did some stupid illegal racing back in my youth that I'm not proud of.

:gtfo2: Just kidding, I did too... :shakes head:

Fearless_Z 11-26-2016 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3582257)
I beg to differ... In fact, I beg to differ at least 5 times. Ask me how I know. Even in a 1/4 mile. Even when the Challenger SRT8 had a CAI, tune and was an auto.

What did you have done to your Z? 4.08 gears or anything like that? Im just curious what it takes "aftermarket wise", if at all, to compete.

BehindSpace 11-26-2016 12:24 PM

this forum is funny, stock challenger 392 does the 1/4 mile 1full second faster and 10mph higher than stock 370z nismo and mods only make it more worse

Nithmo 11-26-2016 07:52 PM

Personally, I wouldn't get the Challenger 392. But I would get the Charger 392. That is a sick car and handles better than the Challenger... Not that it's hard to do that :rofl2:

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z (Post 3582295)
What did you have done to your Z? 4.08 gears or anything like that? Im just curious what it takes "aftermarket wise", if at all, to compete.

Just the Z1 intake, HKS exhaust and base EcuTek tune. Oh, and with the Nismo wheels and Continental tires. Stock times for both cars are so close, it's basically down to the driver.

Same holds true with a friend of mine who has an '08 Pontiac G8 GXP. Loud as hell and sounds excellent, but basically the same outcome every time. Actually, he usually gets about half a car on launch, then towards the end of 2nd gear, we're door to door and stay that way until the end.

If we had a half mile to run, I'm sure both of them would probably nudge past me a bit. Probably a car length or two.


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