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NISMO IX 07-26-2016 05:23 PM
Targeted, no. Competition with, probably not. The Caymen is superior.

ZeeBabar 07-26-2016 05:52 PM
Dodge Challenger Hellcat vs Porsche 911 Turbo S vs Nissan GT-R Drag Race

sgosh 07-26-2016 08:16 PM
Of course, if OP were to add an "r" between the "b" and "a" in "beasts," we'd all be considerably more empathetic.

And ZeeBabar, we all know Dodge is the best, ever, even if it came in last place in this particular race (it was totally unfair to begin with; it was up against cars that weren't front wheel drive). Say what you will, the K car was a game-changer! :driving:

NTMG 11-24-2016 10:18 AM
How about a 06 GTO ?

ChopsZ 11-24-2016 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sgosh (Post 3524679)
Of course, if OP were to add an "r" between the "b" and "a" in "beasts," we'd all be considerably more empathetic.

And ZeeBabar, we all know Dodge is the best, ever, even if it came in last place in this particular race (it was totally unfair to begin with; it was up against cars that weren't front wheel drive). Say what you will, the K car was a game-changer! :driving:
I know this is an old thread, but...

The fact that the moron driving the Hellcat was making the rear tires slippery, sitting there roasting the hell out of them right before the launch every time didn't help matters any. Not that it had a chance against REAL sports cars to begin with, but still.

Rear engine with the right amount of power + RWD = Maximum traction on launch
Front engine with the right amount of power + AWD = Maximum traction on launch
Front engine with way too much power + RWD = Getting nowhere fast on launch


Also, whenever you see a commercial from Porsche, BMW or Nissan, etc, etc (pretty much any non-American car manufacture), they're always talking about refinement, performance and handling. Every time you see a commercial about a Camaro, Hellcat or Mustang, they're always boasting about horsepower and a show of tire smoke.

ChopsZ 11-24-2016 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by NTMG (Post 3581601)
How about a 06 GTO ?
What about it? It's still not a sports car. Just another pony car. Apples and oranges.

The BlueMax 11-24-2016 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by NTMG (Post 3581601)
How about a 06 GTO ?
Not a bad car but the next generation is also desirable, you have more manuals availible in the 04/06 cars. The current, but rare Impala SS with a manual 6 speed has a suspension well beyond the Charger or Challenger.

cv129 11-24-2016 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by The BlueMax (Post 3581648)
Not a bad car but the next generation is also desirable, you have more manuals availible in the 04/06 cars. The current, but rare Chevy Impala SS with a manual 6 speed has a suspension well beyond the Charger or Challenger.
Fixed and :iagree:, especially the 16+ with magnetic dampers

UNKNOWN_370 11-24-2016 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3509894)
Personally, I would go with what I went with... The Z.

It's a Nissan, so I already know it's a bullet proof design with loads of R&D put in it, I know it's going to last, I know it's going to be pretty fast, and I know it's going to handle.

With all of that in mind, the number one reason I went with the Z is because of its overall appearance. It's a damn good looking car. It's got the right lines, it's got the right proportions, it's got those sexy wide fenders that can tuck in a lot of rubber, and it's got the very similar roof-line of the GTR which I really love. It also sounds excellent, and I love the looks of the interior as well. It's a purpose built vehicle without all of the stupid "bloatware" so to speak.

A seven year existence for an engine is NOT long at all. This engine is one of the best mass-produced engines out there. And for it to be stuffed in a car that just about anyone can afford is incredible. Not to mention it can easily put to shame a LOT of V8 engines.

People need to stop with all of the bulls*** and see this car for what it really is.

I could have gone with a number of different cars, but chose the Z instead, and the base model at that because I didn't want some of the stuff "bloatware" that comes in the Sport model that I refused to pay extra for.

Anywho... Minor rant off now.
You know it's a bored out VQ35 right? The Vq35 was a bored out vq30 etc You know the vq has been in service 23 years and we've bored it out to double it's size and we can't bore it out any more.... right???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine

Maybe you've only known this engine 7 years. Others have known this engine over 2 decades.

ChopsZ 11-24-2016 10:33 PM
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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3581680)
You know it's a bored out VQ35 right? The Vq35 was a bored out vq30 etc You know the vq has been in service 23 years and we've bored it out to double it's size and we can't bore it out any more.... right???

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine

Maybe you've only known this engine 7 years. Others have known this engine over 2 decades.
Yes, I know this. I was just referring to it being in the 370Z. The best, most advanced version of the VQ series.

Again, who cares? So what if it's 23 years old? That's small fries compared to the Chevy 350 and Ford 302. They've been around for more than twice that.

Besides, the block, bored out or not is NOT where the technology that matters lives. It's all in the heads and ECU. That's what makes the VQ37VHR stand out from all of the other VQ motors. It's a damn good motor, and it's proven.

I don't see the point in anyone's argument when it comes to our engine. Not one bit.

Karnak 11-25-2016 02:32 AM
oh..."Beasts"....that's not what I had read...carry on...

shirokenkami 11-25-2016 08:42 AM
As someone who has spent a considerable amount of time in the auto industry, Chrysler products are the worst garbage one could ask for on such a competitive market. How they've managed to stay afloat is beyond me.

NTMG 11-25-2016 08:44 AM
That is why I did not buy the Challenger.

BehindSpace 11-25-2016 04:12 PM
the srt is a different leage than the 370z, if the prices are close get the challenger

shirokenkami 11-25-2016 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by BehindSpace (Post 3582047)
the srt is a different leage than the 370z, if the prices are close get the challenger
Eh, not really. The Z(Non-Nismo) is rated at 10.1 lbs per HP versus the Challenger SRT8 which 8.9 lbs per HP. The Z will absolutely smoke a Challenger in a Auto-X or Road Course as the Challenger is just too much of a pig.

Karnak 11-25-2016 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by shirokenkami (Post 3582078)
Eh, not really. The Z(Non-Nismo) is rated at 10.1 lbs per HP versus the Challenger SRT8 which 8.9 lbs per HP. The Z will absolutely smoke a Challenger in a Auto-X or Road Course as the Challenger is just too much of a pig.
Isn't it the other way around?

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An excellent case in point is the relationship between a vehicle's curb weight and its power and torque outputs. The oft-referenced power-to-weight ratio has always made more sense to me when expressed as weight-to-power, where I can see exactly how many pounds each horsepower (or pound-foot of torque) is being asked to lug.

Directly from: Top performance car power-to-weight ratios under $100k, $50k and $25k - Autoblog
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As you can see in the lists on that site: the lower the number usually means the faster accelerating car, thus in this case, it appears the challenger outpulls the 370z just based on the stats you posted unless I don't understand correctly. Don't get me wrong, though, I'd take the 370z over the challenger any day...;)...I just like refinement of the suspension more than brute force...;)

shirokenkami 11-26-2016 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Karnak (Post 3582163)
Isn't it the other way around?

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An excellent case in point is the relationship between a vehicle's curb weight and its power and torque outputs. The oft-referenced power-to-weight ratio has always made more sense to me when expressed as weight-to-power, where I can see exactly how many pounds each horsepower (or pound-foot of torque) is being asked to lug.

Directly from: Top performance car power-to-weight ratios under $100k, $50k and $25k - Autoblog
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As you can see in the lists on that site: the lower the number usually means the faster accelerating car, thus in this case, it appears the challenger outpulls the 370z just based on the stats you posted unless I don't understand correctly. Don't get me wrong, though, I'd take the 370z over the challenger any day...;)...I just like refinement of the suspension more than brute force...;)
Oh no, you are correct. I was saying that the difference is really not all that much in power to weight ratio. The Z's lighter weight will allow it to enter the corners far faster and while the Mopar may have marginally better power to weight it will be a bear in a race that requires cornering speed. In a drag showdown the SRT would beat the Z but in a Road Race or Auto-X the Z would dominate the SRT. I mean if you look at Auto-X, one of the top dominator in it is the MX5.

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by shirokenkami (Post 3582231)
In a drag showdown the SRT would beat the Z
I beg to differ... In fact, I beg to differ at least 5 times. Ask me how I know. Even in a 1/4 mile. Even when the Challenger SRT8 had a CAI, tune and was an auto.

shirokenkami 11-26-2016 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3582257)
I beg to differ... In fact, I beg to differ at least 5 times. Ask me how I know. Even in a 1/4 mile. Even when the Challenger SRT8 had a CAI, tune and was an auto.
Too true I suppose when you account for gearing and MANY other factors. I was just going off of purely power to weight ratio but I am ignorant when it comes to drag racing, by choice. :p

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by shirokenkami (Post 3582259)
Too true I suppose when you account for gearing and MANY other factors. I was just going off of purely power to weight ratio but I am ignorant when it comes to drag racing, by choice. :p
I've done all kinds of racing, so it all kind of comes natural to me by now. Even did some stupid illegal racing back in my youth that I'm not proud of.

shirokenkami 11-26-2016 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3582262)
Even did some stupid illegal racing back in my youth that I'm not proud of.
:gtfo2: Just kidding, I did too... :shakes head:

Fearless_Z 11-26-2016 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by ChopsZ (Post 3582257)
I beg to differ... In fact, I beg to differ at least 5 times. Ask me how I know. Even in a 1/4 mile. Even when the Challenger SRT8 had a CAI, tune and was an auto.
What did you have done to your Z? 4.08 gears or anything like that? Im just curious what it takes "aftermarket wise", if at all, to compete.

BehindSpace 11-26-2016 12:24 PM
this forum is funny, stock challenger 392 does the 1/4 mile 1full second faster and 10mph higher than stock 370z nismo and mods only make it more worse

Nithmo 11-26-2016 07:52 PM
Personally, I wouldn't get the Challenger 392. But I would get the Charger 392. That is a sick car and handles better than the Challenger... Not that it's hard to do that :rofl2:

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z (Post 3582295)
What did you have done to your Z? 4.08 gears or anything like that? Im just curious what it takes "aftermarket wise", if at all, to compete.
Just the Z1 intake, HKS exhaust and base EcuTek tune. Oh, and with the Nismo wheels and Continental tires. Stock times for both cars are so close, it's basically down to the driver.

Same holds true with a friend of mine who has an '08 Pontiac G8 GXP. Loud as hell and sounds excellent, but basically the same outcome every time. Actually, he usually gets about half a car on launch, then towards the end of 2nd gear, we're door to door and stay that way until the end.

If we had a half mile to run, I'm sure both of them would probably nudge past me a bit. Probably a car length or two.

ChopsZ 11-26-2016 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BehindSpace (Post 3582323)
this forum is funny, stock challenger 392 does the 1/4 mile 1full second faster and 10mph higher than stock 370z nismo and mods only make it more worse
Umm, no it doesn't. Maybe that's what the review mags say, but that's certainly not the case in the real world.

And "more worse"? Really?...

Nithmo 11-27-2016 03:12 AM
He's not necessarily wrong. The Challenger apparently can be a second faster, judging by these times, for each:

For those that are wondering, stock 392 Challenger times - Camaro5 Chevy Camaro Forum / Camaro ZL1, SS and V6 Forums - Camaro5.com

http://www.the370z.com/track-autocro...ack-times.html

ChopsZ 11-27-2016 08:42 AM
Like I said before, it all boils down to the driver. However, it doesn't matter to me as I would still take the Z before any of the others mentioned here.

NTMG 03-08-2017 10:10 PM
I sold my 2005 GTO. Now it's time to look for a new or used 370Z.

Raeshlavik 03-09-2017 10:32 AM
I measure it by "Oh Wow!"'s per lunch outing as I don't really race the Zed (yet)...

The Z gets, on average, three more Oh Wow's per lunch trip than my co-worker's 392 Challenger every time... And heaven help me if someone pulls up next to the Z and asks me about it; that puts him in a funk all day.

I chalk it up to my Nismo being the only one I've ever seen in east Denver, and Challengers being present at nearly every 4-way stop out here. And I see similar results between the Z and another co-worker's C63 AMG - he'd fair better though if we had a larger sample size, but the AMG lives in the shop...

Really, the only car here at work that beats the Z in wow-factor is my CFO's dropped and blown 1968 Camaro - but that's not really a fair comparison. ;)

SINISTER 03-09-2017 10:49 AM
The new vette has engine failures, overheats and looks like azz compared to a C6 which is rock solid and has no issues. Stay away form the C6 z06 however it has valve train issues. Stick with the LS3 engine. If your still thinking about a Dodge Challenger SRT8....I just sold my Dodge Challenger Hellcat and got a 2013 Nismo....the Dodge Challenger is a boat, handles horribly, its long, heavy, wide...I hated it, felt like a big luxury car that went fast...sold it after owning it around 3 to 5 months...Nismo is small, agile, refined, RELIABLE, looks 10 times better than the new vette or Challeger.... all that and it costs LESS!?! A true enthusiasts drivers car ...not a show off hotwheels looking car like a new vette or challenger...


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