370z VS E46 M3 :)

LateralG'z · 06-06-2010, 04:25 PM

lots of funny bickering

mrcardio · 06-06-2010, 05:30 PM

The folks trying to claim the E46 is a none issue of the 370z are clearly misinformed.

And the E92 does in fact compete well with the C6 Vette and in many cases faster:

Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com

The new Porsche Cayman S is right there with the E92 as well. These cars are in a whole different leaque vs. 370z.

steveg78 · 06-06-2010, 09:17 PM

Good driving on both parts; it was fun to watch. These guys drove em' like they stoleded them!

Daishi · 06-07-2010, 11:00 AM

Im willing to bet with the right modifications and driver we can be right there with the e92 in a straight line race if not a little quicker. I currently have injen intakes. FI Long tube headers and FI catback exhaust. I raced a c63 amg the other day and for those of you who dont know the specs its a 6.3l 451 hp motor. 1st time i got pulled by a car length because It was a random race and I didnt start high enough rpm. Second time we were dead even.

NYBladeZ · 06-07-2010, 11:10 AM

^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th.

The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me.

On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched.

Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us.

I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that.

Daishi · 06-07-2010, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th.

The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me.

On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched.

Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us.

I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that.

bro that setup will get you way more than 350whp. Depending on which dyno your talking about im already pushing 300whp on a mustang dyno which is about 330 on a dynojet without any of the above meantioned mods and so are some others.

NYBladeZ · 06-07-2010, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Daishi

bro that setup will get you way more than 350whp. Depending on which dyno your talking about im already pushing 300whp on a mustang dyno which is about 330 on a dynojet without any of the above meantioned mods and so are some others.

I hope so man, I can understand that many manufacturers would jump on F.I. package now to satisfy the masses, not many people are currently shooting for a "kilo car" so I'm being patient and watching all the wonderful products that come out. Most noteworthy lately has been that new plenum kinetix put out, sweet looking piece.

If I can build the motor in due time and make 350+whp N/A that's all I need. It'll be built and bulletproof so it's just a matter after all that of adding a power adder to make ridiculous HP.

Guess I'm being the tortoise but we all know how that ended up.

Daishi · 06-07-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

I hope so man, I can understand that many manufacturers would jump on F.I. package now to satisfy the masses, not many people are currently shooting for a "kilo car" so I'm being patient and watching all the wonderful products that come out. Most noteworthy lately has been that new plenum kinetix put out, sweet looking piece.

If I can build the motor in due time and make 350+whp N/A that's all I need. It'll be built and bulletproof so it's just a matter after all that of adding a power adder to make ridiculous HP.

Guess I'm being the tortoise but we all know how that ended up.

Yea ill be keeping an eye on the kinetix piece to see how it turns out. Many people think its not going to produce any gains though. We will see when the time comes. If it produces decent gains ill most likely buy it.

mrcardio · 06-07-2010, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NYBladeZ

^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th.

The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me.

You beat the driver not the car and you're trying to say the E92 isn't a "driver's car"? LMFAO!

NYBladeZ · 06-07-2010, 09:17 PM

compared to the e46 the e92 is not a drivers car. Way more computers than a raw feel for the car and yeah I've driven and been in both enough to quantify my opinion. Btw, this is why manual transmission are the only way to judge your skill. If you are doing nothing than pushing paddles as you win, the only reason why you've won is because of the fat check you wrote BMW. Your driving ability means jack sh!t.

Personally, I kinda like hearing I beat the M3 driver more than I like hearing the Z beat an M3....who wouldn't?

xfrgtr · 06-08-2010, 10:19 AM

Top Gear Track :

M3 (E46) 1:31.8
370Z 1:27.5

FuszNissan · 06-08-2010, 11:11 AM

Nick911sc · 06-08-2010, 11:27 AM

E92 is double the price of a Z stateside.

NYBladeZ · 06-08-2010, 12:12 PM

I just looked at his location, stateside the M is anywhere between mid 50's-upper 60's, the Z is high 20's-mid 30's unless you want the nismo or 40th. I love my Z but if I could have gotten the e92 M3 for 30,000 I would have alas that's not how it works in the US. Btw the Top Gear big board is a good measurement tool, they aren't going to keep running the cars and updating the time and the Stig drives all the cars so the driver is always the same, per my knowledge it wasn't wet when they ran the e46.

XKaLiBaR · 06-08-2010, 01:18 PM

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I just looked at his location, stateside the M is anywhere between mid 50's-upper 60's, the Z is high 20's-mid 30's unless you want the nismo or 40th. I love my Z but if I could have gotten the e92 M3 for 30,000 I would have alas that's not how it works in the US. Btw the Top Gear big board is a good measurement tool, they aren't going to keep running the cars and updating the time and the Stig drives all the cars so the driver is always the same, per my knowledge it wasn't wet when they ran the e46.

Hmm, well over here a used e92 M3 costs £33k

Car Solutions : BMW M3 M3 2DR 1 OWNER BIG SPECIFICATION

New 370z is around £33k - £36k

Auto Trader UK - NISSAN 370Z 3700 cc 3.7 V6 GT 3dr

MIDDLEHURST MOTORSPORT GTR : Nissan 370Z GT Black Edtion, No 8 of 370

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Youre the one comparing a 10yo car to the Z.

I just joined this discussion from page 5. Topic, which reads 370z VS E46 M3, was created many moons ago, by you guys.

06-06-2010, 04:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
LateralG'z Track Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 876 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 18	lots of funny bickering __________________ 2010 Mag Black, 6MT,

06-07-2010, 11:10 AM	#5 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 22	^^trust me man it's more than possible. I stuck it to an e92 stock and trust me he was going. Sure there will be an overwhelming about of evidence that the Z is inferior but I'll go by what I experience when I'm behind the wheel. In my experience against a manual e92 it was Z: 2 M:0 all the way through 4th. The M is a beast, what do you expect, but the e92 is no longer a driver's car, it allows anyone the ability to drive fast especially if you get the paddle shift. I come from a mentality where driver input is everything, buttons aren't for me. On the e46, 2 of my buddies have them and while they can keep up with the Z they can't overtake me. Frankly they'd have to run perfectly and I get a little bit of an error margin, after installing test pipes and making an uncorrected 294whp on the dyno I can tell you for a fact, unless you dumped a lot of money in an e46 M you're not catching me. I love the e46 M but times have progressed, the Z is superior and I'd rather take a full bolt on Z over a full bolt on e46 M. It's still very expensive to get parts for the e46 and the aftermarket for the Z is still growing. Tuning capabilities are still limited, parts such as upgraded throttle bodies and plenums are just be researched. Z owners, be patient, the VQ motor is wonderful and for the brave few who keep the motor N/A and build it either into a long block or a super high reving short block you'll make 350+ at the wheels. We just need to wait on someone to come out with heads, pistons, rods, and a bigger plenum. It's coming and when someone goes that extra effort the M's won't want a piece of us. I was going to jump on the F.I. train but I hate being limited to 480-500whp. I bought my Z, she's going to be with me for a long time god willing, I'll wait and build the short block, Nissan already provided me a 9000 tach I want to see if it can be done. Heads, cams, pistons, rods, and advanced tuning on a built block should get you to 9K and more than 350whp at the wheels on a bulletproof motor. I'm willing to wait for that. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

06-07-2010, 09:17 PM	#10 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 22	compared to the e46 the e92 is not a drivers car. Way more computers than a raw feel for the car and yeah I've driven and been in both enough to quantify my opinion. Btw, this is why manual transmission are the only way to judge your skill. If you are doing nothing than pushing paddles as you win, the only reason why you've won is because of the fat check you wrote BMW. Your driving ability means jack sh!t. Personally, I kinda like hearing I beat the M3 driver more than I like hearing the Z beat an M3....who wouldn't? __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

06-08-2010, 11:11 AM	#12 (permalink)
FuszNissan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: St. Louis Posts: 14,275 Drives: Pure Sex Rep Power: 544	__________________ Mods: Too Many to list! LouFuszNissan ZDAYZ 2012

06-08-2010, 12:12 PM	#14 (permalink)
NYBladeZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 2,158 Drives: Lotus Exige S Rep Power: 22	I just looked at his location, stateside the M is anywhere between mid 50's-upper 60's, the Z is high 20's-mid 30's unless you want the nismo or 40th. I love my Z but if I could have gotten the e92 M3 for 30,000 I would have alas that's not how it works in the US. Btw the Top Gear big board is a good measurement tool, they aren't going to keep running the cars and updating the time and the Stig drives all the cars so the driver is always the same, per my knowledge it wasn't wet when they ran the e46. __________________ 2009 Carbon Fiber/Red 370z aka Trish: Sports Package, Meisterschaft full catback, Fast Intentions Longtube Headers, Injen Long Tube Intakes, UpRev Tune: Sold 2008 Lotus Exige S Club Racer aka Bella, always leaves me smiling

06-06-2010, 05:30 PM	#2 (permalink)
mrcardio Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Florida Posts: 219 Drives: 08 MS3 Rep Power: 17	The folks trying to claim the E46 is a none issue of the 370z are clearly misinformed. And the E92 does in fact compete well with the C6 Vette and in many cases faster: Chevrolet Corvette C6 vs BMW M3 (E92) - FastestLaps.com The new Porsche Cayman S is right there with the E92 as well. These cars are in a whole different leaque vs. 370z.

06-06-2010, 09:17 PM	#3 (permalink)
steveg78 Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: MD Posts: 569 Drives: 09 370Z PG M6 +Sport Rep Power: 19	Good driving on both parts; it was fun to watch. These guys drove em' like they stoleded them!

06-07-2010, 11:00 AM	#4 (permalink)
Daishi Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: NJ Posts: 683 Drives: 09 370z 6Speed Rep Power: 19	Im willing to bet with the right modifications and driver we can be right there with the e92 in a straight line race if not a little quicker. I currently have injen intakes. FI Long tube headers and FI catback exhaust. I raced a c63 amg the other day and for those of you who dont know the specs its a 6.3l 451 hp motor. 1st time i got pulled by a car length because It was a random race and I didnt start high enough rpm. Second time we were dead even.

06-08-2010, 10:19 AM	#11 (permalink)
xfrgtr Base Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: miami,fl Posts: 171 Drives: 09' 370z nismo Rep Power: 18	Top Gear Track : M3 (E46) 1:31.8 370Z 1:27.5

06-08-2010, 11:27 AM	#13 (permalink)
Nick911sc A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Long Island, New York Posts: 1,698 Drives: 2010 Nissan GT-R Rep Power: 22	E92 is double the price of a Z stateside.