Is it bad that I like BOTH my Z and the Gen Coupe..? :ugh2:

yep and now you're so reported! :rofl2:

Whenever I see any Hyundai Genesis, being it base or one of the meaner models, I feel superior in my Nismo both looks-wise and quality-wise. Other cars I considered were Mustang GT and Cayman. I just don't feel the Hyundai matches up with any of the 3.

Because it doesn't

The Mustang, the porsche, the Z all have heritage, years in motorsports, a rich history... They have stood the test of time. Tried and true

Im not gonna buy a vizio tv just because its "comparable" to a sony

Sometimes history means something. In the context of what's currently happening. It doesn't mean shyt.

How can anyone justify a Z cute ute rumor for the future??? How does heritage play into a mini SUV Z?Anyone??? That's like building a truck and calling it a motorcycle. Where would be the philosophy of heritage in a SUV CROSSOVER??? Dwell on the past you may. But I'm looking at what Nissan is planning tomorrow, not what they did yesterday. I own a Z today. What will I own tomorrow? Does Nissan care about our opinions enough to make what we want?

That's the issue at hand

So you're saying next generation you'll be looking for a ZUV as your next sports car? :ugh2:

If the next gen Z is a SUV? I'm going upmarket anyway. I'm just waiting for a couple more cars to be intro'd before I plunge. Like the turbo line up of Porsche's the AMG GT, the Camaro Mustang showdown and at least see the Z concept before I buy.

If Hyundai puts out a 3,400Lb 420+hp car... forged aluminum suspension with all the right bits. I'll be interested.

And Hyundai had the Genesis coupe on the Rhys Millen racing team. It's making strides. All car companies start somewhere... Hyundai has had a stronger beginning than most first time RWD Sports cars.

Porche Cayman.

I already have the only suv worth owning, a 1974 fj40 Land Cruiser. :happydance:

Lol. On the SUV worth owning instead of a next gen Z.:roflpuke2:. The Cayman is a great car. But IMHO, Nissan has a responsibility to its customers in the 30K new car price range

At this point a rumor and only a rumor. I'll agree with you when it's news.

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I don't particularly care for anything in Hyundai's current line up, and it doesn't matter to me personally who drives one. I just have a preference for Z's. Combine those two factors together and unless Hyundai convinces me otherwise- with much better styling and performance, Z wins every time.

I feel like Kevin on Shark Tank. Hyundai is making great strides and doing good things, but I don't want to take those strides with them. I'm out :D I want a car that can compete with the likes of the Mustang GT, Cayman, and yes, the Z.

Important thing is you realize this is your own opinion. I've owned both cars. Both cars are great in their own right and both have their pitfalls. really depends on what you're in the market for at the time, budget and if you're open minded in trying out Hyundai.

I do. Like I said, I just have a preference for Z's. To each his own though. :tiphat:

Yep, I get ya.

Anyway just to go off topic for a sec, this forum is great because we can have open discussions without someone trying to pick a stupid internet argument. I likes. :tup:

YES... even if you have owned both its still all personal opinion

but the facts cannot be disputed..which are:

the Z is a real sports car, not a sporty coupe
performs better than the gen in every way
its hertitage
lineage
motorsport history
have any of you even read up on mr K and all the awards the Z car has been a part of the last few decades? At one point it was the best selling sports car in history with the corvette trailing it.

The Gen is a great car, price comparable, but not in the same league.

if the Z really goes away into this abortion crossover, it will be a sad day for Z car enthusiasts ....if the gen KEEPS playin its cards right from that point on...it could secure and build from where the Z car dies..... gosh thats hard to type

Youre right, its NOT in the same league. As the Z isnt in the same league as the Genesis. I.E. comfort, convenience, tech, etc. Though they are both niche cars, the Genesis shouldn't masquerade around the fact its a Grand Touring machine. Great on the highway and open roads and ok on the switchbacks, though certainly not a Z.

It's nice to see Hyundai trying to compete with the Infinity g35.

Best of luck to them in their endeavors.

Just for SnG's, i'd like to see if anyone has test driven one.

I'm not a fan of the new front fascia on the genesis though. I had the 2012 model which I prefer the looks over the refresh.

In all honesty, you can't really compare the 2. One is a 2 seater sport coupe and the other is a "luxury" sport coupe. BUt if you ever have a chance to test drive one, you'll def see that they're pretty decent rides. I really do miss my 2012 Genesis although I love my 2016 Z too. If I had to pick between the genesis coupe 3.8 and a 370z it'd be a super hard choice which would boil down to whether or not I need practicality.

The only reason I was okay with purchasing a Z and not another Genesis is that I already bought my wife a 2014 loaded out MDX which has all the creature comforts for when we go on trips and when we decide to have kids. Plus, my friend had owned a 350z when I had my G35 several years back and def loved how the Z felt.

BTW, I'm not some type of Hyundai lover.... I just like all types of vehicles from all manufacturers. Hell, I even really like those new 'stangs and those new focus ST's are pretty beast too. :driving:

Not at all. both are sweet cars for sure that are tailored for different audiences. HOnestly, if you asked me to buy a Hyundai 10 years ago, I would have laughed. Things are different now. after having owned one for 2.5 years and putting about 80k miles on the car and really getting to know it, Hyundai really stepped up their game. I tell my wife all the time that the 2 cars I miss the most are the '09 civic SI I had and my 2012 Genesis. I'll list some of the cars I owned that I compared to.

2000 civic EX (auto)
2003 Accord V6 EX-L coupe (6MT)
2004 Acura TL Tech (6MT)
2006 G35 coupe (6MT)
2009 civic SI (6MT)
2012 Genesis coupe 3.8 Track (6MT)
2012 Hyundai Elantra Sedan Limited (auto) - (wife's car, sold my 2012 genesis and bough her the MDX when we got hitched)
2014 MDX SH-AWD Tech
2016 370z Base (6MT)

I've put 100,000 miles or more on each vehicle except for the 2 newest I listed and all were bought new.

Test drove? Hell I have a '14 3.8 GT nad had a 2013 Z.

:iagree:

See I tried Hyundai and for me... It was Z all the way. But I try to be objective. My preference is the Z. But I can say the truth without feeling like I have to defend Nissan's flaws. Most of all, I'm not a brand snob. If a car is good. It's good. No buts or excuses. Yes the Nissan is better.
But... Hyundai is catching up faster than everyone expected and dudes don't like the idea. I have seat time behind a gencoupe. Not just a spin around the block.
One thing I gotta say. When you turn on a 3.8 track cold. The grumble sounds healthy. The seating position is good for it being more designed for comfort. Steering is sharp and nicely weighted. It has great pick up and in street driving it corners well.
I had the opportunity to drive a Genesis coupe 2.0 on Puerto Rico mountains of Arecibo, Cayey, Fajardo and Caguas. The Hyundai turbo was designed for charging up mountains, not driving on flat streets. People just don't know. I was impressed with the 2.0 premium. I can only imagine the Spec on the mountain


I'm not mad that Hyundai is catching up. I'm mad Nissan is letting them with no response.:shakes head:

This is sad, because the Z32tt was compared to a C4 Vette bitd. And the Corvette has always been the higher end sports car. Now the Z34 is compared to a Hyundai. Hyundai has progressed while Nissan regressed. The new Genesis sedan is nice though.

Exactly. And all that history won't be worth shyt if that happens.
Just like Toyota and Honda wasn't worth **** the second they dropped their racing heritage.

..Exactly!!! :iagree:

I dont think the Z has regressed, they just havent done squat in 6 years. Its STILL a better sports car than the Genesis but...like you said, you snooze, you lose. They NEED a killer Z35, or just kill the Z for a few years. Dont half as$ this sh*t with a "Zuke".

Six years, it came out in '09. Thats 7 years. Oh, they pumped sound through the vents and gave them LEDS.

Indeed. Not sure if anyone here watches/watched 'Burn Notice', but Fiona drove a Genesis that looked pretty good (though not as good as my current Z).

http://b-i.forbesimg.com/dalebuss/fi...urn-notice.jpg

Where's the genesis?? jkjk lol

The only reason I brought up the porsche 944 is because someone triad to compare the 370 to a cayman and I thought they were way off base, but I stand by my statement of comparison to the 370 being an modern asian 944.

I mainly lurk to keep up with the Z, but man, I'd rather have a Z than a Porsche any day. I had a 280zx with full suspension and built motor and a minty fresh 1985.5 944 with 50k miles on it and all the options. My Z was a miles better car, and still quicker and loads more fun than the Porsche while stock. After the upgrades it blew it away in every regard as far as driving. I sold the 944 for what I had in it in about 6 months. But my old Z is still my favorite car I've ever had. The Z's have personality and character while P cars are slightly "soulless". I look forward to the next Z and hope to be in one if it's any good :tiphat:

Good response Chat I had a chance to order and buy a 1983 944, but out of the other two candidates Mustang GT, and Z-28 with the new 5.0 H.O I went with the Camaro for the styling, handling and performance upgrades. The early 944 had a real low horse power 4 cylinder.

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While I agree with you about a 280 vs a 944 driving dynamics and fun factor a 911 is COMPLETELY different ball game in EVERY aspect.

Porsche has its uniqueness. Mostly it's in the 911. Honestly I think what makes the Z a true drivers car is it's flaws... German cars are becoming over engineered. **** a Z in some ways is over engineered. But, I feel, you become a better driver in a Z or 911 over a Cayman.

My complaints with the Z are with basics. Not power or handling. Maybe just engineering out that understeer. Updating the vdc a Lil.. But updating the cockpit or body styling better. Maybe they could have gone D.I.? DI would have given the Z more responsiveness at the pedal.

Nissan just needed to do small things. Not huge ones.

I will claim I have a little brand loyalty as I have owned 4 Nissan trucks so far. I also ran a used car lot for 8 years. Hyundai is a decent car and has made huge strides since they 1st came onto the market but I still can't get over the issues that have been associated to Hyundai starting back then. I have a couple friends that have Hyundai's. They seem to be nice cars now but I haven't had any problems at all with Nissan either. Well I will also say my brother works at a Nissan dealership as a parts manager & Mom also has owned a few so they also are kind of brand loyal. I have always felt the 2nd gen 300z thru 370z's are IMO 1 of the sexiest looking cars on the market at any price. I cannot say that about any Hyundai. I also feel more comfortable with the reliability of Nissan over Hyundai even though they are pretty good now. Sure they don't have a 10 year warranty on a Nissan but I haven't had to use my warranty since buying new Nissan's from 2012 on for anything. My new one does have all the toys except the Nismo package & I paid more than you would for Genesis but I wanted a Z for a long time & now I have one with the Sport package and the Touring package:tiphat:

This.

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This is a probably a moribund thread but just to answer the question since I didn't answer it earlier, sorry. I had the Genesis for about 1 1/2 years.

i donno, but something about young (pretty) girls in cheap crappy cars look okay to me.

Enough of your taunts!!! :rolleyes:

After 30k miles finally put new rubber on my 3.8. Now stock for stock my 370 was quicker off the line. No argument but these new Super Sports just about made it equal. Grip is insane. sure upgrade the Z to same, etc. Finally have some decent grip is nice!!