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wanker 08-27-2015 12:28 PM

The Genesis is a great car, and was a close second to the Z, when I compared the two before my purchase. However, IMHO the Genesis transmission was really lacking.

Bshields22 08-27-2015 01:49 PM

Lets just be clear on one thing...... as seen below




:worship:

firulice 08-27-2015 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3285920)
We're not on a meat forum. Keep your posts relevant.

:wtf2:

Someone needs to watch Tommy boy again :rolleyes:

FiftyFiv3 08-27-2015 09:56 PM

Crossed shopped them as well before settling on a Z. Couldn't get over the fact that the front looked like a Pontiac.

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BuddyLee 08-28-2015 01:15 AM

The Genesis isn't in the same class as the Z.
The Z is a poor man's Cayman. Personally, I like the look of the Z better, but Porsche is Porcshe.

The Z is a two seat sports car, complaining about cargo space and versatility is ridicules. If you want versatility buy a quad cab pickup.

I am fortunate enough to have different vehicles for different purposes, and my Z is for my own selfish personal enjoyment.

mishuko 08-28-2015 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FiftyFiv3 (Post 3295563)
Crossed shopped them as well before settling on a Z. Couldn't get over the fact that the front looked like a Pontiac.

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really? i personally prefer the fronts over the rear on the gen coups...

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Originally Posted by BuddyLee (Post 3295608)
The Genesis isn't in the same class as the Z.
The Z is a poor man's Cayman. Personally, I like the look of the Z better, but Porsche is Porcshe.

The Z is a two seat sports car, complaining about cargo space and versatility is ridicules. If you want versatility buy a quad cab pickup.

I am fortunate enough to have different vehicles for different purposes, and my Z is for my own selfish personal enjoyment.

uhh wtf are people hauling? I was able to fit a mini cooler, 2 back packs ,2 packed dufflebags, a bucket, a walking stick, a case of water, my emergency kit nicely between the rear and behind the seats during my road trip. could have squeezed another case of water (it turned into a 6pack of craft on the way home) and kept the trunk cover over it the entire time without blocking the rear window at all.

Firebase99 08-28-2015 08:13 AM

I was astonished to find how much cargo space is available on the Genesis over my 370. Then again its a bigger GT car, not a tiny sports car.

kidkotic2001 08-28-2015 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by moore.speed (Post 3285179)
Another aspect to separate the two vehicles: depreciation.

The Z does much better with that than the Genesis Coupe.

Damnnn and the Z depreciates pretty bad too, I cant imagine any worse depreciation on the genesis.

kidkotic2001 08-28-2015 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by BuddyLee (Post 3295608)
The Genesis isn't in the same class as the Z.
The Z is a poor man's Cayman. Personally, I like the look of the Z better, but Porsche is Porcshe.

The Z is a two seat sports car, complaining about cargo space and versatility is ridicules. If you want versatility buy a quad cab pickup.

I am fortunate enough to have different vehicles for different purposes, and my Z is for my own selfish personal enjoyment.

LOL, poor man Cayman, that is too funny. I love my Z, would I get a Genesis, hell no. The Z is just in a league of its own, I mean its not a camaro, its not a mustang. But with some minor upgrades Our Z's become monsters.

Whtciv2k 08-28-2015 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by kidkotic2001 (Post 3295827)
LOL, poor man Cayman, that is too funny. I love my Z, would I get a Genesis, hell no. The Z is just in a league of its own, I mean its not a camaro, its not a mustang. But with some minor upgrades Our Z's become monsters.

They're both nice cars.

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Firebase99 08-28-2015 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by kidkotic2001 (Post 3295827)
LOL, poor man Cayman, that is too funny. I love my Z, would I get a Genesis, hell no. The Z is just in a league of its own, I mean its not a camaro, its not a mustang. But with some minor upgrades Our Z's become monsters.

Whats minor? a twin scroll turbo? HFC and CAI are minor, and that does not make it a monster.

mishuko 08-28-2015 09:51 AM

any sports car depreciates more than a regular econobox.

why you may ask?

i return the question:

what the fk you buy a sports car for then?

and answer my own question. to drive more aggresively and spirited than you could in a prius.

Bshields22 08-28-2015 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BuddyLee (Post 3295608)
The Genesis isn't in the same class as the Z.
The Z is a poor man's Cayman. Personally, I like the look of the Z better, but Porsche is Porcshe.

The Z is a two seat sports car, complaining about cargo space and versatility is ridicules. If you want versatility buy a quad cab pickup.

I am fortunate enough to have different vehicles for different purposes, and my Z is for my own selfish personal enjoyment.

:iagree:

The BlueMax 08-28-2015 12:43 PM

The 370Z is more like a modern porsche 944 the only differences would be a beefier over engineered platform at twice the price.

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Whtciv2k 08-28-2015 01:58 PM

it's all the same. really depends on if you care about practicality and how much cash you have to spend. i bought my genesis coupe 3.8 track loaded out with every single option available for 31kOTD back in 2011 (bought a 2012 model). for the price, it couldn't be beat. it was fast, handled superbly and had all the latest tech options. The only thing i wish is that it was a bit more polished. Like I mentioned before, the tranny just didn't feel as crisp.

Whtciv2k 08-28-2015 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by The BlueMax (Post 3295968)
The 370Z is more like a modern porsche 944 the only differences would be a beefier over engineered platform at twice the price.

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Please don't compare a 370z to a porsche. if you've ever driven one, you know, they're porsches and in a league of their own.

you are right though, aesthetically, they do look quite similar.

Firebase99 08-28-2015 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Whtciv2k (Post 3296012)
it's all the same. really depends on if you care about practicality and how much cash you have to spend. i bought my genesis coupe 3.8 track loaded out with every single option available for 31kOTD back in 2011 (bought a 2012 model). for the price, it couldn't be beat. it was fast, handled superbly and had all the latest tech options. The only thing i wish is that it was a bit more polished. Like I mentioned before, the tranny just didn't feel as crisp.

Pretty much this. However, I have the BK2, 2ND generation (2013+) Faster and more polished than bk1. The bk2 is MORE polished than my '13 Z. Loaded and more tech than the z. Though still not quite as quick or sharp.

UNKNOWN_370 08-28-2015 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Whtciv2k (Post 3296013)
Please don't compare a 370z to a porsche. if you've ever driven one, you know, they're porsches and in a league of their own.

you are right though, aesthetically, they do look quite similar.

If you've ever driven a 944 turbo? You'd know the Z is light years ahead of that car in every way.... It's also almost 2 decades older.

kidkotic2001 08-28-2015 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3295834)
Whats minor? a twin scroll turbo? HFC and CAI are minor, and that does not make it a monster.

You are right I was overreaching but its a great car. I love tasking the mountain turns.

Firebase99 08-28-2015 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kidkotic2001 (Post 3296326)
You are right I was overreaching but its a great car. I love tasking the mountain turns.

And THATS the beauty of the 370!! That I couldn't enjoy 99% of the time. It's the fun if a BRZ with POWER!! So, not being rich, I chose the better DD of the Genesis over the scalpel and fun of the the Z. Gen my offers 90% of Z performance with 120% comfort/ convenience. No it won't out run, out turn a 370. But 99% there's no way I'm utilizing 90% of my Genesis performance let alone the Z.

Spooler 08-28-2015 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3296335)
And THATS the beauty of the 370!! That I couldn't enjoy 99% of the time. It's the fun if a BRZ with POWER!! So, not being rich, I chose the better DD of the Genesis over the scalpel and fun of the the Z. Gen my offers 90% of Z performance with 120% comfort/ convenience. No it won't out run, out turn a 370. But 99% there's no way I'm utilizing 90% of my Genesis performance let alone the Z.

Fix your signature, it is urking me. Datsun only made the 260z in one year. 1974. They had 2 different models, The 1974 that looked like a 240z and the 1974 1/2 that looked just like the 1975 280z but with carbs.

Firebase99 08-28-2015 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3296342)
Fix your signature, it is urking me. Datsun only made the 260z in one year. 1974. They had 2 different models, The 1974 that looked like a 240z and the 1974 1/2 that looked just like the 1975 280z but with carbs.

What? The build date of my 260 was july of '78, with a sale of '79 season. 240 was like 73 or 74, youre WAY off son. I had one, so sit down and let the grown ups talk.

DOOMMONKEY777 08-28-2015 10:49 PM

:ugh::drama:

Firebase99 08-28-2015 11:08 PM

:woot::woot::hello:
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Originally Posted by DOOMMONKEY777 (Post 3296360)
:ugh::drama:


Trips 08-29-2015 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3296342)
Fix your signature, it is urking me. Datsun only made the 260z in one year. 1974. They had 2 different models, The 1974 that looked like a 240z and the 1974 1/2 that looked just like the 1975 280z but with carbs.

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3296353)
What? The build date of my 260 was july of '78, with a sale of '79 season. 240 was like 73 or 74, youre WAY off son. I had one, so sit down and let the grown ups talk.

I'll leave this here! ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_S30

nis350 08-29-2015 12:36 AM

The other person is correct.

260z was made for 1974 only and there were two models. One with the 240z bumpers and the 1974 1/2 with the larger 280z bumpers. The 260z had two Hitachi carbs and 240z had two SU carbs. 1973 was the last year for the 240z. 1978 was the last year for the 280z with fuel injection. 1979 was the first year for the 280zx.

I had an 1974 1/2 260z with triple Webers, headers, cam etc. and an 1979 280zx.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3296353)
What? The build date of my 260 was july of '78, with a sale of '79 season. 240 was like 73 or 74, youre WAY off son. I had one, so sit down and let the grown ups talk.


Firebase99 08-29-2015 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by nis350 (Post 3296394)
The other person is correct.

260z was made for 1974 only and there were two models. One with the 240z bumpers and the 1974 1/2 with the larger 280z bumpers. The 260z had two Hitachi carbs and 240z had two SU carbs. 1973 was the last year for the 240z. 1978 was the last year for the 280z with fuel injection. 1979 was the first year for the 280zx.

I had an 1974 1/2 260z with triple Webers, headers, cam etc. and an 1979 280zx.

260 was 74-78 build dates according to wiki. I agree.

jchammond 08-29-2015 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3285067)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBKuKxyUb08

We've hit there's when the stagnant base/sport 370z will be compared to the ever-evolving Hyundai Genesis coupe R-Spec. Both make similar numbers at similar prices. Sell about the same in numbers. Our cars hands down are the real drivers cars of the group. But truth is... If we evolved the Z at an equal rate as a Hyundai Genesis coupe. This review would've not sounded anything like this.

Areas we should have been progressing.

1. Updating our interiors with more features and better materials.
2. An LSD throughout the range. This should never have been an issue.
3. The base stereo... SERIOUSLY! SMH

These areas sound small but keeps our cars from competing with cars it shouldn't be compared to.

How'd this POS make it on a 370Z forum page,,,LMAO-cars don't compare/370 is a sports car & idk what the huyndai is? if i wanted a back seat i'd bought a different car....i'm 6'6" 285lbs & drive my ~Z~ 100miles + a day,,,very comfortable for me & plenty of power to (can't say it) my 2 cent's....i may jusy be an old 48yr. old fart;but i'm a die hard Chevy man & my ~Z~ has more leg room & (i can't say it) the ~Z~cars are in a class by themselves!!!

roplusbee 08-29-2015 10:58 AM

When I watched that comparison, I was a bit disturbed as well. I had to keep thinking that it was a price comparison, pitting two v6 coupes against each other. if you look at the comments, idiots are talking about Camaros and Mustangs with V8s. I simply reminded them that the V6 models would all be bested by the Z and probably by the Genesis as well.

As far as I am concerned, the Z is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. A great majority of the time, the owners modify the car. In that scenario, your poor man's Cayman goes out the window. A modified Cayman and a modified Z will come down to who spent more and who has more seat time (and balls).

Once I get back to the states, I will either get another NISMO Z (leaning heavily toward a 14) or go hard and get an 89-90 S13 Fastback and wait to see what the Z35 offers later on............

GZ3 08-29-2015 12:05 PM

Its just a price point comparo... Thats it.... Anyone who knows anything about motorsports knows the Z is in a completely different league than the genesis....the hyundai is still in its infancy. Not to say its not a decent car,

Z_ealot 08-29-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3296565)
260 was 74-78 build dates according to wiki. I agree.

Sure you didnt miss that 1974 with US in quotation marks next to it lol

klee370z 08-29-2015 03:07 PM

I will go ahead and keep my poor mans Porsche, and you can keep your Hyundai.

nis350 08-29-2015 03:28 PM

Perhaps you should have kept that 1979 260z. It probably worth a fortune being the only one sold in US.

However, I think you are either mistaken or got ripped off when you purchased that brand new 1979 260z. Sorry.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Firebase99 (Post 3296565)
260 was 74-78 build dates according to wiki. I agree.


Firebase99 08-29-2015 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nis350 (Post 3296819)
Perhaps you should have kept that 1979 260z. It probably worth a fortune being the only one sold in US.

However, I think you are either mistaken or got ripped off when you purchased that brand new 1979 260z. Sorry.

I bought it used, in the army at Bragg. They said it was a 79, so it's a 78. Some fond memories. The 280 was bought at the same place. That was a beauty. Fire engine red and t top. Probably the most fun to drive out of all of them. That was in the late 90's.

markesc 08-30-2015 02:55 AM

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Originally Posted by roplusbee (Post 3296684)
When I watched that comparison, I was a bit disturbed as well. I had to keep thinking that it was a price comparison, pitting two v6 coupes against each other. if you look at the comments, idiots are talking about Camaros and Mustangs with V8s. I simply reminded them that the V6 models would all be bested by the Z and probably by the Genesis as well.

As far as I am concerned, the Z is doing exactly what it is supposed to do. A great majority of the time, the owners modify the car. In that scenario, your poor man's Cayman goes out the window. A modified Cayman and a modified Z will come down to who spent more and who has more seat time (and balls).

Once I get back to the states, I will either get another NISMO Z (leaning heavily toward a 14) or go hard and get an 89-90 S13 Fastback and wait to see what the Z35 offers later on............

I was considering a used Cayman, but I would have had to pay cash prettymuch as most banks will not finance an older vehicle. Then add on top the possible issues, I opted for a new car instead. Even if the Z is slower, I know it's going to probably be more reliable in the long run.

Would love a turbo'd cayman as a second weekend car, but nobody in Oregon knows how to tune them properly...

UNKNOWN_370 08-30-2015 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchammond (Post 3296625)
How'd this POS make it on a 370Z forum page,,,LMAO-cars don't compare/370 is a sports car & idk what the huyndai is? if i wanted a back seat i'd bought a different car....i'm 6'6" 285lbs & drive my ~Z~ 100miles + a day,,,very comfortable for me & plenty of power to (can't say it) my 2 cent's....i may jusy be an old 48yr. old fart;but i'm a die hard Chevy man & my ~Z~ has more leg room & (i can't say it) the ~Z~cars are in a class by themselves!!!

Until next generation, when the Z becomes a three door Juke with a 240hp 1.8L turbo and the Hyundai is an actual coupe with a 3.3 litre turbo and 420hp. SMH
Everybody disses Hyundai Kia... But they have
Real shifting AT's in their vehicles, not CVT's
They get real LSD's for track duty
They been having a strong line of turbo engines since 2012.

Hyundai is NOT FAR BEHIND from Nissan. And there advantage potential in the near future is higher than ours. While currently behind in chassis rigidity they are about to change generations. Then what?

Once they go all aluminum forged suspension, get ecu programming right and get Downshift Rev-Matching. They will become REAL COMPETITION. What if they get a Rays contract too or a formidable wheel company next gen? The 2.0 is coming back next gen with over 300hp and Kia will have a comparable coupe. Hyundai is making strides while we're falling into generics. I'd rock the optima before my altima if I was buying today?

Hyundai's new slogan should be...

Hyundai...
"Laugh at us now, cry later."

Nissan's slogan will be...
Nissan...
"Turning track legends into cute ute's":ugh2: :wtf2:

My point to this thread was if Nissan would update our cars properly, this comparo wouldn't even exist. But Nissan doesnt. So here it is. The stark reality that Nissan is slippin'. I'm a Chevy/Nissan guy as well when talking sub-premium. But I accept reality that my car company doesn't have it together except for the GT-R. And even that one is kinda long in the tooth.

BuddyLee 08-30-2015 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3297429)
Until next generation, when the Z becomes a three door Juke with a 240hp 1.8L turbo and the Hyundai is an actual coupe with a 3.3 litre turbo and 420hp. SMH
Everybody disses Hyundai Kia... But they have
Real shifting AT's in their vehicles, not CVT's
They get real LSD's for track duty
They been having a strong line of turbo engines since 2012.

Hyundai is NOT FAR BEHIND from Nissan. And there advantage potential in the near future is higher than ours. While currently behind in chassis rigidity they are about to change generations. Then what?

Once they go all aluminum forged suspension, get ecu programming right and get Downshift Rev-Matching. They will become REAL COMPETITION. What if they get a Rays contract too or a formidable wheel company next gen? The 2.0 is coming back next gen with over 300hp and Kia will have a comparable coupe. Hyundai is making strides while we're falling into generics. I'd rock the optima before my altima if I was buying today?

Hyundai's new slogan should be...

Hyundai...
"Laugh at us now, cry later."

Nissan's slogan will be...
Nissan...
"Turning track legends into cute ute's":ugh2: :wtf2:

My point to this thread was if Nissan would update our cars properly, this comparo wouldn't even exist. But Nissan doesnt. So here it is. The stark reality that Nissan is slippin'. I'm a Chevy/Nissan guy as well when talking sub-premium. But I accept reality that my car company doesn't have it together except for the GT-R. And even that one is kinda long in the tooth.

The Genesis will still be everything I'm not looking for in a sports car, and my 370z will still be superior in every aspect that counts, to me personally.

The only other vehicle I would consider trading for my Z costs over double the price, and is German. And I still think the Z has superior styling.

FiftyFiv3 08-30-2015 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3297429)
Until next generation, when the Z becomes a three door Juke with a 240hp 1.8L turbo and the Hyundai is an actual coupe with a 3.3 litre turbo and 420hp. SMH
Everybody disses Hyundai Kia... But they have
Real shifting AT's in their vehicles, not CVT's
They get real LSD's for track duty
They been having a strong line of turbo engines since 2012.

Hyundai is NOT FAR BEHIND from Nissan. And there advantage potential in the near future is higher than ours. While currently behind in chassis rigidity they are about to change generations. Then what?

Once they go all aluminum forged suspension, get ecu programming right and get Downshift Rev-Matching. They will become REAL COMPETITION. What if they get a Rays contract too or a formidable wheel company next gen? The 2.0 is coming back next gen with over 300hp and Kia will have a comparable coupe. Hyundai is making strides while we're falling into generics. I'd rock the optima before my altima if I was buying today?

Hyundai's new slogan should be...

Hyundai...
"Laugh at us now, cry later."

Nissan's slogan will be...
Nissan...
"Turning track legends into cute ute's":ugh2: :wtf2:

My point to this thread was if Nissan would update our cars properly, this comparo wouldn't even exist. But Nissan doesnt. So here it is. The stark reality that Nissan is slippin'. I'm a Chevy/Nissan guy as well when talking sub-premium. But I accept reality that my car company doesn't have it together except for the GT-R. And even that one is kinda long in the tooth.

The pedigree and progression of the Z speaks volumes. I hear what you're saying but hyundai has a very limited history. Give it time and yes I believe they can be a formidable brand. Hey quick question, how is there motorsports division doing?

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night blade 08-30-2015 01:10 PM

When Kia announced the GT4 Stinger concept my interest peaked, why? Own a Kia and it's been good so far (knock on wood), that and a 5 year warranty (10 years in the US) helps. Stinger is no where to be found so I decided on the Z, no regrets at all on the Z and I'm loving it, but then again I wanted a real V6 manual sports car before they disappear, and unfortunately the writing in on the wall.

Firebase99 08-30-2015 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 3297429)
Until next generation, when the Z becomes a three door Juke with a 240hp 1.8L turbo and the Hyundai is an actual coupe with a 3.3 litre turbo and 420hp. SMH
Everybody disses Hyundai Kia... But they have
Real shifting AT's in their vehicles, not CVT's
They get real LSD's for track duty
They been having a strong line of turbo engines since 2012.

Hyundai is NOT FAR BEHIND from Nissan. And there advantage potential in the near future is higher than ours. While currently behind in chassis rigidity they are about to change generations. Then what?

Once they go all aluminum forged suspension, get ecu programming right and get Downshift Rev-Matching. They will become REAL COMPETITION. What if they get a Rays contract too or a formidable wheel company next gen? The 2.0 is coming back next gen with over 300hp and Kia will have a comparable coupe. Hyundai is making strides while we're falling into generics. I'd rock the optima before my altima if I was buying today?

Hyundai's new slogan should be...

Hyundai...
"Laugh at us now, cry later."

Nissan's slogan will be...
Nissan...
"Turning track legends into cute ute's":ugh2: :wtf2:

My point to this thread was if Nissan would update our cars properly, this comparo wouldn't even exist. But Nissan doesnt. So here it is. The stark reality that Nissan is slippin'. I'm a Chevy/Nissan guy as well when talking sub-premium. But I accept reality that my car company doesn't have it together except for the GT-R. And even that one is kinda long in the tooth.

Here!! Here!! Well said. IMO having the 2nd generation Genesis and '13 Z I don't THINK the Hyundai is a better car. What I do KNOW is the Z DOES outperform it in pretty much every notable comparison. But not by much. Given that and the price difference along with all the tech you get for that money makes it a better value. Plus it's more comfortable on a crazy commute for daily driving.


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