Has anyone noticed this?
 

Camaros are starting to be the new Mustangs? These things are turning up EVERYWHERE now, makes me glad I didnt go with the Camaro and got the Z instead, I've seen maybe 3 in the city since i've had mine, i've already seen 15 Camaros today. Funny thing though, not one attempted to rev on me, shocking really. Guess they know whats up.

What's up is that a Camaro SS will spank a Z handily in acceleration.

The melt-your-tires-at-every-stoplight crowd has their icon back. The Z was never meant to roll with them. We should be glad they're not acting like jerks, at least not where you are, it seems.

Really? You do know that a Camaro SS will crap all over you in any contest of speed, right? Just making sure, in case you forgot the smiley after the sentence to denote sarcasm. LOL, oh yeah...they'll beat you a road-course, too. ;)

Still, not a huge fan of the Camaro. It's a good car all around at a great value, but a sports-car it is not. And, yes...they are more common than the Z, but that's partially due to the wider range in price from base V6 to fully-loaded SS.

There will be 3 2SS Camaros and 2 GT Premium Mustangs by the end of the year in the parking lot at my job. I still have the only 370z. (there is an 81 280Z).

The camaro guys are talking trash, sure. They have over 420 HP and lbs/ft torque!!! Between traffic lights, I'm sure they'll get me unless they don't know how to drive.

Those guys throw out the following all the time at work:

- They paid less for a fully loaded 2SS than my Nismo.
- They have a back seat.
- They get better gas mileage (um...no)
- They are faster.

Usually the only comeback I need is, "Yeah, but I have a Z."

Give it time..Esp when they start hitting the used market.

I would have thought it would be a close race,there times are similar to ours from what I have seen on the internet. Now the real test will be to line up with one. Being they are a V8 and all that HP I actually would think there numbers would be better but Matt let me know when that happens and I show up and see if a 7AT makes a diff too and hopefully I will have my FIs by then for a little extra help.

What are you smoking? In a straight line, they might have a small edge, which they should considering that overbloated engine in them. But a road course? You kidding? Nothing on the lower end of a cayman s can hang to the z on a track.

Here we go. Let's go ahead and put it out there now. DRIVER'S RACE. BOTTOM LINE. A Camaro will not "crap all over you" in your Z.

I won't post them all here but feel free to look up the numbers obtained by your favorite magazine and you will see how close the numbers are.

Magazine race?!?!? VROOM VROOM!

This thread = fail.

I have given and received thumbs ups from guys in Challengers, Camaros, whatever. Enthusiasts show respect.

"a sports car it is not", as you say. So why say i the same breath that it will beat a 370Z on a road course? Makes no sense.

From Car & Driver:

"Although looking over the long, beveled hood (of the SS) is a view every muscle-car fan will relish, the low roof, high waistline, and wall-like rear pillars make the car drive big (not good for twisty two-lanes), a complaint we also level at the Challenger.

And these specs tell me a competent driver in a 370Z on a road course will "crap all over" a Camaro SS:

<table><tbody><tr></tr><tr><td> Camaro SS
</td> <td> Manual </td> <td> Automatic </td></tr><tr> <td> Acceleration </td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr> <td> 0-60 mph </td> <td> 4.8 sec </td> <td> 4.9 sec </td> </tr><tr> <td> 0-100 mph </td> <td> 10.8 sec </td> <td> 11.1 sec </td> </tr><tr> <td> 0-120 </td> <td> 15.4 sec </td> <td> 16.3 sec </td> </tr><tr> <td> 0-140 mph </td> <td> 21.7 sec </td> <td> 24.8 sec </td> </tr><tr> <td> 0-150 mph </td> <td> 26.2 sec </td> <td> -- </td> </tr><tr> <td> mile </td> <td> 13.3 sec @ 111 mph </td> <td> 13.4 sec @ 109 mph </td> </tr><tr> <td> 30-70 mph passing </td> <td> 6.3 sec </td> <td> 6.2 sec </td> </tr><tr> <td> Peak g </td> <td> 0.63 g </td> <td> 0.69 g </td> </tr><tr> <td> Braking </td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr> <td> 70-0 mph </td> <td> 149 ft </td> <td> 153 ft </td> </tr><tr> <td> Peak g </td> <td> 1.12 </td> <td> 1.1 </td> </tr><tr> <td> Cornering </td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr> <td> L </td> <td> 0.94 g </td> <td> -- </td> </tr><tr> <td> R </td> <td> 0.93 g </td> <td> -- </td> </tr><tr> <td> Weight </td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr> <td> Curb Weight </td> <td> 3859 lbs </td> <td> 3896 lbs </td> </tr><tr> <td> Distribution (percent f/r) </td> <td> 52.2/ 47.8 </td> <td> 52.3/47.7 </td> </tr><tr> <td> Speed in Gears </td> <td>
</td> <td>
</td> </tr><tr> <td> 1st </td> <td> 52 mph </td> <td> 38 mph </td> </tr><tr> <td> 2nd </td> <td> 76 mph </td> <td> 64 mph </td> </tr><tr> <td> 3rd </td> <td> 110 mph </td> <td> 99 mph </td> </tr><tr> <td> 4th </td> <td> 157 mph (limited) </td> <td> 131 mph </td> </tr><tr> <td> 5th </td> <td> 157 mph (limited) </td> <td> 157 mph (limited) </td> </tr><tr> <td> 6th </td> <td> 140 mph </td> <td> 140 mph</td></tr></tbody></table>

I'm 0 for 2 from muscle cars. 1 Camaro guy and 1 old guy in a vette(is a vette a muscle car???)...neither waved or nodded back to my hello.

I'm 2 for 2 from sports cars. 350Z and WRX STI both gestured back. The WRX couldn't stop staring!

Vette = Sports Car

WRX = Compact Sport Sedan

Road course? you mean a straight line? I hope you mean a straight line...

:drama:
To actually add some input, the Camaro is very popular, but I think currently your older generation is buying them up quickly. They want to re-live those days long ago and many have been waitin patiently for five(?) years for this car.

Gentlemen, I didnt start this thread to begin a flame war, It was an observation and I was curious to know if anyone had seen the same things.

Surely you're joking... You DO realize the SS's curb weight is 3800 lbs right? Sounds like youre doing some magazine racing yourself. So far i've seen one get beat by a stock turbo Cobalt SS, and a slightly modded SRT-4 at the track. All that power is fine, but when you're smoking your tires through 3rd, you're not going to win races. And on a road course? your on crack bro. And I never eluded to my car being faster by saying "I guess he knows whats up", the fact is, the Z is more refined, far better looking, and with even drivers, can keep up. :ugh2:

All of this hypothetical crap is annoying. People are quick to dismiss the capabilities of Mustangs and Camaros around a road track... they're too heavy, they're old tech, they won't handle...

Yes, they are heavy. Yes, they are (or were) old tech. But have you ever seen one driven in anger? They may not have the technological advantages but they aren't to be taken lightly.

And the drag racing stuff is BS, too. Driver competence is half the battle. There are plenty of guys here that couldn't even muster a 14 second pass at sea level in a 6MT if their lives depended on it. And somewhere, some kid in a Scion tC that saw a 370 pass at 14.7 is talking about how his bro with an I/E tC can keep up with any 370 because they barely break into the 14s yo!

keep in mind gentlemen that this isnt a Camaro vs. Mustang vs. 370Z thread, it was made out of curiosity to see if people were seeing an insane amount of Camaros on the roads nowadays, much like the Mustang.

You should know by now that we are unable to keep a thread on track for more than 3, 4 posts tops. :icon18:

Yeah, 500 posts later, im finally starting to figure this out :icon17:

There are also way more variables than just driver variables, one reason I hate comparing person X v. person Y in different locations. Just because someone ran a 14 does not mean he is slow or does not know how to drive.

Also, mustangs are very capable track cars stock and have a nice upgrade from factory to push them even better.

Camaro vs 370Z?
 

Come on guys...don't let your testerone get in the way. You're driving a "Z". The Camaro is pretty but like a mobile home - different paint scheme on the outside and a fancy interior - they are still just a Chevy. If they should challenge you just nod, look the other way and KNOW you're driving a Z. It's like a 4th Deg Black Belt facing a street punk. You can just look away knowing that "you're driving a 370Z". I'm a 3rd time Z owner and BTW I'm one of those Boomers living the memory but in a Z it's real. Not just looking over the long hood of a Chevy. I was going up the mountain recently and a Boxer almost ran off the road checking out my Platinum Graphite Z...it was a hoot.

I challenge someone to provide any evidence of a Z being faster than a Camaro SS on a road-course. I have not yet had both the Z and a Camaro SS on a track so I can not speak from personal experience, and neither can any of you. Show me some conclusive evidence of the Z out-performing cars on a track. Until then...the Motor Trend comparison stands, with the SS beating the NISMO around Laguna Seca by a second.

Oh yeah...this is just nonsensical magazine-racing. Let's just pretend the Z is faster because you say so. :rolleyes:

Huh? How doesn't it make sense..there are many non sports-cars that will beat sports-cars around a track. I fail to see how you can't make that connection.

Outright performance has nothing to do with a car's classification as a "sports-car". The Camaro is not a sports-car. The Z is.

Blah blah blah, the point of the thread was that the camaros are everywhere now. If you want to bench race between the two, there are at least 3 other threads on the topic.

I don't know why it would come as a surprise to you production numbers for Zs have always been lower than that of Mustangs and Camaros. BTW the Camaro has outsold the Mustang for the last three months.

As mentioned above the only true comparison between the two on a road course was with the Camaro beating the Nismo. Until someone else can give us some times on a road course between the two leave the track talk at that.

Respect the car for what it is. Behind any fancy paint job or interior there is just a Nissan, Chevy or freakin car underneath it all. All that black belt and street punk talk is nonsense.. LOL get over yourself brah.

Should come as no surprise that half the strangers you gesture to on the road are going to pay you no mind :rofl2:

+1 :icon18:

Back to TOPIC

I'm seeing Camaros everywhere. But not one SS :shakes head:

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"Driver's race" is far too common of an excuse. Yes, a driver's capability makes a significant difference, but how far do you want to take that? An automatic Accord or Camry will stay right next to a bogged and mis-shifted STi from a dig to about 70 MPH. Is that a "driver's race" too?

The SS has enough of an acceleration advantage over the Z to where the outcome would be clear with both drivers of the same competency level. In outright acceleration, as in from a 60 MPH roll, an SS should walk away from a Z. Their trap-speed advantage is evidence of that, on top of the huge discrepancy in 0-140+ acceleration.

I am in no way "taking sides" with the Camaro. I've obviously made a choice of the Z over the Camaro for many...I'm just not blinded by my own bias. I'm a realist.

^^^^

:icon14:

The only thing better about the camaro is the engine. Everything else is better about the Z. The camaro engine fits perfectly in the Z.

:iagree: :roflpuke2:

I've noticed more new Camaro's than 370's around here!

in 5 months I have owned my Z I have seen many Camaro's than the Z, in my area...

After that sentence there I agree with you Frost. Welp see you guys later.....

However to get back on topic. I have seen a decent amount of SS's around me. I must say, they do sound pretty damn great. Actually compared to the V6 I have seen a lot more SS's running around.

6th gear slower? is it just too tall of an overdrive? (to get better gas mileage, I assume?)