I thought & still do
 

That EVERYBODY here knows that MUCH H.P is lost when they get to the rear wheels. Clutch/disk, trans, drive shaft, gears, axles, tires, wheels, brake size/weight & I'm sure more are the reason why we dyno at the wheels.

I guess I was wrong about EVERYONE understanding that. So 18h.p at the engine is NOT that much.

I'm pretty sure we dyno at the wheels because taking our engines out of the car and hooking them up to an engine dyno is not exactly a very cost effective measure. Dynos are useful for tuning. The track is useful for proving who is actually the fastest. My numbers fluctuate by a ridiculous number from dyno to dyno and day to day. Dynos are a useful indicator of performance gained, but by no means are they the end all be all of performance. I thought everyone knew that one.

Secondly, peak numbers only tell a fraction of the story. The area under the curve, and getting that power to the ground effectively matter a lot more. So a car with more power can still lose to a car with less power. Everything else being equal, then yes the car with ONLY 18 extra bhp will still win.

Does the drive train lose power? Yes. Does 18bhp matter to some people? Without a doubt it does. If 18hp wasn't that much of a gain then why do some people bother getting an intake or a test pipe or whatever other mod that ONLY gets them a few rwhp.

It still baffles me to no end, why does everyone think that owning a Nismo means you are not allowed to change any part ever?

thank you baby jesus... someone knows whats up.. and because stupid is why people think if you buy a NISMO you can't change parts

good post but I DON'T want to get OFF the topic
 

like car's performance. I have my reason.

I'm NOT very much into doing dynos. Only once I went to a place where they had a group dyno thing. That was LONG ago & I mostly went just to see others/other cars.
It means very little to me if one person posts that he got 310whp & another says he got 320whp. I don't care. I've been clear as far as what I'm into.

My only reason to get into a big dyno talk on this post was because I didn't understand that guy's reaction/comment to my post....

I think it's your grasp on the english language, and ability to formulate a proper sentence.

without going back & reading posts
 

I believe someone asked if he could add the Nismo options to a base model, & would that cost less, or something like that. I addressed the tune part of it. Stating that yes you can get an after market tune & most will give a a bigger gain than the Nismo tune. I pointed that that gain was at the engine, not at the wheels so it's a smaller gain than it looks. That's according to the way we look at ALL our mod gains that we meassure. Again, the reason is because WE meassure & post H.P. gains at the wheels.

I seem to be forced to say that even a small gain is a gain. That's obvious, nevertheless I'll say it. "Even a small gain counts & is a gain" Feel better.

My point remains at what it was & is.

I don't mind & may like "wise guy answers/comment" but you are just plain insulting without really having the info/experience or a good sense of humor to make all those comments. That's more of my time than you deserve.

I also wasn't born in this country (spelling) & I speak 3 different languages plus Spanish :) How about you?

2, but that's ok... I don't need to speak 4 languages.

Someone asked the following question, I also quoted your reply. He did not ask if it would cost less, he asked if it would produce around the same hp. A question that was answered by several people to be a yes.

If you read carefully, he was asking if the Nismo had the SAME aftermarket tune and other performance mods as his car would the numbers be the same. He did NOT ask for a comparison of how a Nismo stock tune compared to an aftermarket tune. He was more or less asking if there were some tables in the Nismo tune that an aftermarket tune could not touch that would allow the Nismo to still make more hp with everything else being equal.

At which you decided to chime in, answer your own question and not the one asked and tried to continue your Nismo bashing because in this case 18bhp doesn't matter to you.

Finally, what does it matter if you can speak four different languages? That point has absolutely nothing to do with what we are discussing here. I have no need to speak four different languages. Furthermore, if I knew I was weak at speaking a language I would try to not be so offensive when using that language. The fact is, as your comment was written it implied that the gain only existed at the flywheel and did not translate into a gain at the rear wheels. When this was pointed out to you numerous times, you stubbornly stuck to your original point despite what is actually written and began insulting others because of it.

Rude, stubborn, and ignorant is still rude, stubborn, and ignorant even if you can do it in four different languages.

Just to add to this thread, an UpRev tune does not add HP... It does tweaks to certain areas to improve performance, but not raise HP...

Huh? Have you not seen the numerous dyno sheets here of before and after tuning that clearly show increased horsepower and torque?

If your car is not tuned to the mods you have then you are missing HP. An UpRev tune will give you more HP! I watched it with my own eyes..

Even on a stock vehicle, there is clearly more power after the tune. I'm not sure what Pelican is talking about.

I've come to the conclusion the ppl purchase nismos because it's something different vs the other models that the 370z has to offer. At the end of the day, purchase what you want and find reasoning in what you buy. Might not make sense to everyone (HP wise) but if it makes sense to you, rock with it.

My reasoning for purchasing the 370 is because I love the look...

I have a roadster touring with the sport package - got to drive a Nismo the other night to compare.

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e3...psc047df25.jpg

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Engine/exhaust

Was surprised how similar the exhaust note was.

Could not feel any difference in pulling power. I'm sure the Nismo is slightly quicker for the weight advantage but only if side by side.

The Nismo seemed to have less throttle response - when rev'd the revs seemed to hang and not come down as quickly. It was cold out - not sure if that had an effect. Didn't affect my sport model the same.

Handling

The Nismo sat lower and had a great looking stance

The suspension set up on the Nismo was harsh compared to the sport package - can see that it's firmness would be an asset on the track

Other

The seats were a little more spartan on the Nismo and the manual adjustments etc. The heated/cooled and power seats on the Sport model were more refined for sure

The OEM headunit was much more basic in the Nismo

I liked the front clip and rear valence on the Nismo

I liked the rear fog on the Sport

In the end for track use - the Nismo makes complete sense. Preferred the Sport model for street use.

Love them both though.

:facepalm:

Good to see more reviews without the blatant bias.

I do think you're comparing a few of the Touring upgrades to the base/sport/Nismo offerings though. Sport doesn't do anything to upgrade the OEM head unit or the seats. Ditto on the rear light, although the new Nismos now come with that light.

I too had an opportunity to see how the other half lives. The g/f just got a 2013 Magma Red base Z with auto.

Comfort: The stock car is so much quieter, and the ride is so much gentler in the non-Nismo. (Granted compared to the way my car is setup now, 95% of cars out there are quieter and gentler) I imagine upgrading to the Touring would add just that additional level of creature comfort.

Handling: The handling of the base just feels duller. The smaller tires and softer suspension really do not do much for me. The brakes are good, but again not the same. The sport upgrade is truly a worthwhile upgrade.

My Conclusion: The Nismo for a DD is not for everyone. The real beauty of the Nismo is more than the sum of its parts. It is as others have stated before just a little bit sharper here and there. I don't think it is something that you can truly feel/appreciate just driving around town. It really begins to shine on the track where that stiffer suspension, increased traction, and extra aero can actually be of use.

Sure you can go ahead and add more stuff to a base/sport, but you can do that to the Nismo too, and I think we've beat that topic into the ground. For those that are ok with trading a little comfort for a little more performance and looks, then the Nismo might just fit the bill.

:stirthepot: haha

honestly im really surprised this has gone 12 pages. everything that matters, and that can be said to make a valid point about the OP topic has already been said...... then repeated several times. those that are nismoless justify why they dont want one, those with a nismo are happy they didnt buy a base/sport :P end of never ending argument.

Well... my 1st drive in a Nismo was this week - so I was new to the discussion. I liked them both. Seems like you've had your chance in the last week to share your thoughts...

http://forums.bestbuy.com/t5/image/s...=mpbl-1&px=600

So, I skimmed over all the posts related to stock performance NISMO vs Sport/Touring. I wanna clarify my understanding with a simple-ish yes/no.

I got the sport/touring because the NISMO had no NAV option, which honestly I wish I had done more research on (but, anyway).

Once the suspension and exhaust are upgraded to aftermarket parts, the NISMO is basically merely a cosmetic aero kit and (IMO) much cooler wheels?

yes

:bowrofl: Thanks :happydance:

I mean, you have a tune as well, but you might as well add that in if you are doing any power mods

I plan on doing the tune as soon as I learn more about UpRev and what all it requires.

:tup:

Why and the hell dont you just take it to Z1 for your tune??? you are pretty close like I am...

Because I bought my Z two weeks before returning to Afghanistan and I haven't done any research yet as to how or where to get it tuned. :roflpuke2:

I have spoke with z1 and its about $600 for a tune. Do some reasearch on here they are the best. I havent took mine in yet for a tune. If you do decide to get it done there let me know maybe we can go on the same day, a little road trip would be fun.

Hell yea. That sounds great. I plan on putting my intake/exhaust combo on as soon as I get home, then a road trip would be fun :happydance:

Sweet. Let me know a month or two in advance that way I know ill have the funds set a side.:tup:

Amen bro!!!:tup:

I had to summon the spirit of this here old, dead thread. :rofl2:

I miss real deployment monies

It makes great for my visions of my Z!