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Voice59

Toyota Hybrid-R concept car to pack at least 400 horsepower, will debut at Frankfurt Auto Show - NY Daily News

We'll see...

Tigger

Yeah that's all old rumored crap. The unveiling is always less than what we want and for a price no one agrees with. I'm not holding my breath. But IF it turns out to be a player, then yeah, I'm putting my deposit down. And no, I don't like the R35. I was going to wait for the R36 but it almost seems like they're going to milk this one for all it's worth. I don't see a new model before 2017. And I'm not waiting. Nissan is making a bad habit of running these way too long without a refresh. It shows me that they lack in any motivation to design/redesign a sports car that is a decent price for the average Joe.

You either pay $100k+ for a GTR, or you get a Z or an Altima. Pretty crappy imo. No wonder the FRS is kicking *** even with such little power out the door. The supercharger option is $5k. And voila! Fast car. Nissan needs to get their heads into the game. This one-size-fits-all sports car concept is overplayed. Also, they went from an $80k production car to over $100k with not more than a 55hp total increase throughout the years. Kinda ********. $20k. 55hp. Hmmmmm... Well! It ain't my ******* problem. I didn't waste my money on one.

VABAM

I think what happened there is that Nissan stopped building the "base" model GT-R. I remember when the GT-R first came out there was 2 different models. The GT-R and GT-R "Premium". I can't remember the differences but I think it was about a $10k-15k difference in price (depending on options). If you build a 2014 GT-R on Nissan's website the only non-special version/edition is the "Premium". I guess the base model GT-R wasn't selling so they ditched it.

It would be like Nissan getting rid of the base model and non-sport package touring Zs.

Any way...if I had the money I would get a Track Edition GT-R.
Nissan/NISMO brought a preproduction Track Edition GT-R in Gun Metallic to this past ZDayZ.
I have driven a GT-R and IMO it is worth the price.

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Tigger

All well and good. But it has still become a little long in the tooth, much like the 370. Five years. That's it. Move on. And I still can't see how they can justify the price. It's almost like their lap times are the only things selling those cars and that's how they justify the price. I think this is the only point where we get to agree to disagree. I think it is a $65-70k car at best. But again, that's just my opinion.

Voice59

Well then you may be confused about what you're looking at. You're talking about a car that puts SUPER cars to shame. A car that FORCED big name car companies to produce a car that can beat it. And they did..for 4-5 times the amount of a GTR.. Sure those super cars have plenty luxurious interiors...but I'm almost positive nobody buys a lambo for the interior. So...yeah, you might be confused. Not that I'm a fan of the GTR. I think it's ugly as hell. But as far as performance? It's worth the money you're paying hands down.

VABAM

Yep, that is the whole point of the current GT-R. Supercar performance with out the supercar price. I'm not saying $100K is cheap but considering that it competes with cars like the Ferrari 458 Italia ($240K) and the Lexus LFA ($375K) performance wise, $100K is a relative bargain. I will admit that it isn't the best looking car out there but, I wouldn't call it ugly.

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Tigger

I'll say it again. Agree to disagree. I'm not confused. So before you ostracize me over an OPINION understand that I simply don't see anything big about it.

The car itself is not a marvel. It's the computer programming that makes the car. All you have to do is point the wheel. I'm not sure why any purist would even care for a Maxima with AWD and twin turbochargers. Seriously. You want lap times, get a GTR. You want real fun? Don't. The ONLY comments I've heard from people who've driven the GTR are "it's a blast to drive" or "it's so fast". Whoopie-do. Everything else from what I hear is boring. It takes all of the fun out of driving.

All I want is a small, two-seater, light, fast, AWD vehicle. I'm hoping someone is going to deliver.

Is there anything else you'd like to try to bash me for over this opinion? I mean, while we're calling each other out over a forum and all...

Voice59

LoL..don't get butthurt dude. Although I stated facts, my opinion was also laced in there. I don't know how anything I said could have made you feel ostracized. That's neither here or there. All I'm saying is that "in my opinion" all the things you mentioned in a car, it has minus the 2 seats.

VABAM

I agree. It is definitely time for the R36 and Z35 to be released.

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