MAZOC Karting Challenge 27 April (Sat.)

m4a1mustang · 04-29-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Power to weight ratio doesn't matter, Steve. Especially in a motor that when bogged, makes **** for power. You shh now.

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So when Jay rode with me in my S2000... the slowness was all in my head?

MightyBobo · 04-29-2013, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Anyways, ballast next time. Then we'll see what's up.

So they even do ballast there? I didn't see anything for that. Makes sense though.

*straps milk jugs to car*

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m4a1mustang · 04-29-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

So they even do ballast there? I didn't see anything for that. Makes sense though.

*straps milk jugs to car*

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They had tons of weights in the race control office next to the track. If you watched the "pro" drivers they would all add their requisite ballast to their karts before going on track.

XwChriswX · 04-29-2013, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Lol, you threw the gauntlet down, light weight, don't expect I won't throw it right back :-)

Weight matters EVERYTHING in those buckets, what on earth are you talking about? Have you been to SPK or karted before, or was this your first time?

Just because you weren't the lightest out there doesn't mean the lighter people were quite as competitive as you or I were, so your comparison is illogical...

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What gauntlet did I throw?

Yes I've karted plenty of times before, that's why I enjoy doing it.

How is it illogical? If the lighter person pushed more, they would have beaten me. So it's perfectly logical. So it's not A lightweight or B skill. It's a combination of Both.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

No, fgt, no one is saying you don't lack skill. You ARE fast. But don't think for a second weight didn't matter. If I wasn't 100lbs up on you you bet your *** we would have been wheel to wheel. You were easily 10 mph faster than me on the straights.

I'm not saying weight doesn't matter at all. I'm saying that you point me out as being "lightweight" when there were lighter people that were not surpassing my times. So it's not Just about weight.

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

Weight plus skill kid. It's not JUST weight, jeeze.

Who had a lot more experience than you, and were lighter than you

I would say Josh was around my weight class, and I assume with the events you guys have done, he has a lot more "racing/High performance" driving than me. Yes I know karting is a whole nother realm, but the same ideals still apply.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Anyways, ballast next time. Then we'll see what's up.

You could have then at any time.

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo

So they even do ballast there? I didn't see anything for that. Makes sense though.

*straps milk jugs to car*

Sent from my Galaxy S3

Yes, most of the cars we ran had trap doors on the left side to add ballast. That's what all the super cool douches were doing in the racing suits so they were as close to equal weight as they could be.

MightyBobo · 04-29-2013, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So when Jay rode with me in my S2000... the slowness was all in my head?

The lighter the vehicle and the less power it makes means weight means even LESS! Just MOAR DOWN FORCE!

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MightyBobo · 04-29-2013, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

They had tons of weights in the race control office next to the track. If you watched the "pro" drivers they would all add their requisite ballast to their karts before going on track.

I wasn't even watching them. Sweet, fair competition is always good.

But weight doesn't matter, so why bother.

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m4a1mustang · 04-29-2013, 09:02 PM

For ***** and giggles,

the RX7 carts are rougly 240lbs with 9 hp.

With a 150 lb driver that's 43.3 lbs per HP

With a 250lb driver that's 54.44 lbs per hp.

Not to mention the braking and cornering advantage with less weight to hustle around.

m4a1mustang · 04-29-2013, 09:03 PM

@Chris, no one ever said the reason you were fast was only because of weight. The only reason we fast fatties couldn't keep up with you, though, is because of weight. I know I can definitely run up there with you if we had similar race weights, because we're good drivers. Same with Bobo, Ron, etc. It will be a really good race next time.

XwChriswX · 04-29-2013, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

@Chris, no one ever said the reason you were fast was only because of weight. The only reason we fast fatties couldn't keep up with you, though, is because of weight. I know I can definitely run up there with you if we had similar race weights, because we're good drivers. Same with Bobo, Ron, etc. It will be a really good race next time.

The heavier people are the only one saying I was fast because I am light(er) weight. So yeah, that's what it's sounding like.

"If we all had the same weight cars, we'd be better than you."

m4a1mustang · 04-29-2013, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

The heavier people are the only one saying I was fast because I am light(er) weight. So yeah, that's what it's sounding like.

"If we all had the same weight cars, we'd be better than you."

Never said we'd be better. We just said it would be a close race.

I think you're taking offense because you think we're trying to discredit your speed saying its only due to your weight. That's not true at all.

XwChriswX · 04-29-2013, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Never said we'd be better. We just said it would be a close race.

I think you're taking offense because you think we're trying to discredit your speed saying its only due to your weight. That's not true at all.

That's all I've heard since we left the track...

m4a1mustang · 04-29-2013, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

That's all I've heard since we left the track...

You're hearing what you want to hear. No one is discrediting you. Quit being stubborn.

StangerGT · 04-29-2013, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

That's all I've heard since we left the track...

well if it makes u feel better.... i did horrible...

and if i had the weight advantage... im sure... i still woulda done horrible

Masa · 04-29-2013, 09:06 PM

Only one way to settle this, lets all go to SPK right now and do night enduro race in the rain. Fgts.

XwChriswX · 04-29-2013, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

lol so rather than accept you're experience may be the reason you won vs some lighter people... you derail it all by saying something like weight not mattering?

in any case, there are far to many variables. Not only can there be variations in weight, but we all know no kart is alike. Some may have better tuning, more/less gas, newer tires, better brakes.

I got in one cart and the brakes were awesome... the last kart had almost nothing. You could also tell one being more *** happy then another...

I'm not saying it doesn't matter. I'm saying that other people are saying I only did "better" because I am lighter than them... Well there were people lighter than me, so by their logic, I should have not done as well...

I know all too well the truths about karting thanks to my experience with them. But you are exactly correct there, no 2 karts are the same. No matter how much you try to make the "weight factor" as balanced as you can.

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Originally Posted by Masa

Only one way to settle this, lets all go to SPK right now and do night enduro race in the rain. Fgts.

I'm down. Let's go.

04-29-2013, 09:02 PM	#7 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	For *** and giggles, the RX7 carts are rougly 240lbs with 9 hp. With a 150 lb driver that's 43.3 lbs per HP With a 250lb driver that's 54.44 lbs per hp. Not to mention the braking and cornering advantage with less weight to hustle around. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!**

04-29-2013, 09:03 PM	#8 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	@Chris, no one ever said the reason you were fast was only because of weight. The only reason we fast fatties couldn't keep up with you, though, is because of weight. I know I can definitely run up there with you if we had similar race weights, because we're good drivers. Same with Bobo, Ron, etc. It will be a really good race next time. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

04-29-2013, 09:06 PM	#14 (permalink)
Masa A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 2,237 Drives: Family Cars Rep Power: 21	Only one way to settle this, lets all go to SPK right now and do night enduro race in the rain. Fgts. __________________ BMW 340i Jeep Cherokee Trailhawk

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