Over 30 and still single, post here.

Misnomer

Yes. Do you honestly have to ask me that at this point in the thread? It's clear that we don't agree on this point. I guess we'll never have a first date.

Go back to how this started: it was about offering to let the woman pick the activity, and you said that the guy should do all of the planning. We don't disagree about what you're saying now, just what you said then.

Except this bit isn't a matter of opinion. You've said that all girls and women think the same, and I'm a woman saying "Um, not quite/not always." There's nothing to "agree to disagree" about: your generality is incorrect.

"Making this about you/me"? You made it about you when you expressed your opinion, just like I made it about me by expressing mine. We are disagreeing with each other, therefore this is, in fact, about you and me.

Seriously, though, I'm sorry if you were offended by being asked how old your girlfriends have been. It seemed germane to our discussion. If you'd rather just end this part of the conversation, that's cool with me.

I'd say yes, but also that what you're talking about doesn't qualify. I'd say that "overplanned" would be a date that includes more than two elements: dinner and a movie, drinks and a ballgame, etc. Not that you need two or can't do more than two things, but if you've already planned two parts the rest of it (if there is a "rest of it") should be spontaneous.

Keep in mind, too, that there's a difference between a first/early date and a date with someone you've been seeing for a while, who might not care if you plan out an entire day.