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ElVee 07-02-2013 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2388785)
So with the topic of "next gen" gaming systems.
Thoughts on the outliers in the market. OUYA and future Android (and possibly iOS) gaming devices. Not exactly 1080P or 4K resolution, but many indie developers are sliding over to the systems.

There are some things in the Ouya that I like. But the problem comes back to a platform that is still essentially fully of flash-based games, or the equivalent. I'm not sure that will last, kinda like the flash-based games segment anyway (see Zynga). The demo requirement is nice, at least, so I can tell if I'm getting a deep game or a shallow game.

I'm not sure I'd say there is an upswell in indie dev there, just like I wouldn't say it of the Apple store. It's just a different place with a different set of developers than I typically like. It doesn't help that the default, expected controls for Android/Apple are touch-based, whereas I want a controller. At least the Ouya is starting out with the correct input. :)

That said, there are of course outliers. There will be deep, solid games, and developers who do this for the love and not necessarily the large profit, so they can sell a cheap game to few people but put love and time into it to make it worthy.

I've been on a wait-and-see approach with the Ouya ever since I saw the Kickstarter go up. A coworker bought in, but I basically went with the $1 support. So far, glad I waited, since it's been a mess. But that should be expected with brand new platforms.

Chuck33079 07-02-2013 11:33 AM

Yay. The Ouya. When you really want to play iPhone games from your console. Now, the steam console sounds much more interesting since they've already got such a great library of games.

theDreamer 07-02-2013 12:07 PM

The OUYA launch has been riddled with issues, but it is a new company attempting to develop something "different."
I was tempted to jump in for the $150 day 1 price, but as more info came to light it seemed less & less ideal. The steam box I need to research more, but having the catalog they have & the level of experience will be a huge plus for them.

ElVee 07-02-2013 02:47 PM

Yeah, if the Ouya can continue to survive, the experience will really help them. Especially as they fix issues like with their somewhat awful controller. They have a userbase and development happening; but it's a ball that once it starts to slow down, will kill itself. They'll do well to pay for some content developers for a while. There's a reason all gaming consoles have either exclusives or first party titles.

eastwest2300 07-02-2013 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4r3s (Post 2388776)
nicely put SS!

:iagree:

Mr&Mrs 07-02-2013 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2388520)
I looked it up. The PS3 will continue to be free and the PS4 will charge $5 a month based on having to make up for the costs of the features that will be available in the system.

Sorry I thought that is what I had been saying. I guess I should of stated the PS4. That bothers me a little though. Are you saying the PS3 users can still play games for free online? If that is the case it sounds like part of the cost for the PS4 will be to cover PS3 online gaming. That’s stretching the network dollars big time.

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2388785)
So with the topic of "next gen" gaming systems.
Thoughts on the outliers in the market. OUYA and future Android (and possibly iOS) gaming devices. Not exactly 1080P or 4K resolution, but many indie developers are sliding over to the systems.

The OUYA does not do much for me. I will probably get one though and never use it (just like the Wii) unless guests are over. I hope the indie market will keep it strong though. This is the outlet I would like to see the indie developers grow on, to then bring better games to the bigger brother consoles.

UNKNOWN_370 07-04-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2389340)
Sorry I thought that is what I had been saying. I guess I should of stated the PS4. That bothers me a little though. Are you saying the PS3 users can still play games for free online? If that is the case it sounds like part of the cost for the PS4 will be to cover PS3 online gaming. That’s stretching the network dollars big time.



The OUYA does not do much for me. I will probably get one though and never use it (just like the Wii) unless guests are over. I hope the indie market will keep it strong though. This is the outlet I would like to see the indie developers grow on, to then bring better games to the bigger brother consoles.

Yup, consider yourself bothered. The PS3 online gaming will continue to be free while PS4 will cost $60 a year..
I'm not going to get upset based on we still don't know all the capabilities of the PS4. PS is keeping a lot of info hush. I'm sure there will be incentive to join PS plus once all features are revealed.

eastwest2300 07-10-2013 12:06 PM

where'd you hear it'd be $60 a year?

UNKNOWN_370 07-10-2013 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2398795)
where'd you hear it'd be $60 a year?

Playstation plus is something you can purchase now. Its $5 a month or $50 a year. My bad. i meant to write $50. I don't know if it will increase. I did read $5 a month though.

The Dimer 07-10-2013 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2389160)
Yeah, if the Ouya can continue to survive, the experience will really help them. Especially as they fix issues like with their somewhat awful controller. They have a userbase and development happening; but it's a ball that once it starts to slow down, will kill itself. They'll do well to pay for some content developers for a while. There's a reason all gaming consoles have either exclusives or first party titles.

I got wrapped up in the idea and got in on the kickstarter for towards the end of it. I was one of the last people to get their console (barely had it for a month). Luckily they were able to work the manufacturing bugs out so my controllers don't suffer from any of the sticking button issues.

In the month or so I've had it, I've only played it 2-3 times. Now that's mostly because I just moved into a new place right after I got it, I've only turned on my 360 once.

It's a nice idea and it's a pretty fun time killer, but they desperately need to get developers on board and start making some games. I thought I was going to have access to all the games I had purchased on my phone (GTA3, Need for Speed, etc) but was sorely mistaken. That being said I have found several fun games and lost track of time playing them.

My biggest gripe is the free to try thing. I get that you just give away games for free and expect developers to jump on board, but there's very few things more annoying in a video game than getting through level 3 and being redirected to a "Buy the full version to continue" screen.

theDreamer 07-10-2013 12:45 PM

I hate freemium.
I would rather have a free to try (full version) but you are only able to play for 10-20 minutes and then decide, so you can get past the first few levels and try it. On this list also includes the free games that let you play forever but unless you buy add ons or feature packs you are not going very far.

ZMan8 07-10-2013 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2398865)
Playstation plus is something you can purchase now. Its $5 a month or $50 a year. My bad. i meant to write $50. I don't know if it will increase. I did read $5 a month though.

Actually with the discounts you get on games and free perks, it's not too bad at $5 a month. They run special sales often where you can get a 2-3 year old game completely free (borderlands, Resident Evil 5 were among those from past years).

Mr&Mrs 07-10-2013 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2398865)
Playstation plus is something you can purchase now. Its $5 a month or $50 a year. My bad. i meant to write $50. I don't know if it will increase. I did read $5 a month though.

Last I checked there were 12 months in a year. :icon17: You were correct the first time if it is 5 bucks a month. :tiphat:

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Originally Posted by The Dimer (Post 2398873)
I got wrapped up in the idea and got in on the kickstarter for towards the end of it. I was one of the last people to get their console (barely had it for a month). Luckily they were able to work the manufacturing bugs out so my controllers don't suffer from any of the sticking button issues.

In the month or so I've had it, I've only played it 2-3 times. Now that's mostly because I just moved into a new place right after I got it, I've only turned on my 360 once.

It's a nice idea and it's a pretty fun time killer, but they desperately need to get developers on board and start making some games. I thought I was going to have access to all the games I had purchased on my phone (GTA3, Need for Speed, etc) but was sorely mistaken. That being said I have found several fun games and lost track of time playing them.

My biggest gripe is the free to try thing. I get that you just give away games for free and expect developers to jump on board, but there's very few things more annoying in a video game than getting through level 3 and being redirected to a "Buy the full version to continue" screen.

This is part of my major gripe and why I said some of the things I did in previous posts. I do not want these style games on my Xbox or Playstation!

UNKNOWN_370 07-10-2013 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr&Mrs (Post 2399314)
Last I checked there were 12 months in a year. :icon17: You were correct the first time if it is 5 bucks a month. :tiphat:



This is part of my major gripe and why I said some of the things I did in previous posts. I do not want these style games on my Xbox or Playstation!

yeah but if you pay the year upfront, i they discount you $10. Hopefully they'll do the same for PS4.

UPDATE
It's $20 a year for a playstation network card. That's what the PS3 gets free and will keep getting for free. Then it's $50 a year for a playstation plus card. So you will have to pay $20 ANNUALLY for internet access. And another $50 a year if you want the full plus experience.

So in one way, you can be a little happier in the sense online access is not $5 a month but $20 a year. But it's still upsetting because it's free in the PS3, why pay on the 4? Also to get the fullest experience from playstation. It will total out to $70 annually.

Me, im not angry but the news isn't welcoming either. :(

Mr&Mrs 07-11-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2399350)
yeah but if you pay the year upfront, i they discount you $10. Hopefully they'll do the same for PS4.

UPDATE
It's $20 a year for a playstation network card. That's what the PS3 gets free and will keep getting for free. Then it's $50 a year for a playstation plus card. So you will have to pay $20 ANNUALLY for internet access. And another $50 a year if you want the full plus experience.

So in one way, you can be a little happier in the sense online access is not $5 a month but $20 a year. But it's still upsetting because it's free in the PS3, why pay on the 4? Also to get the fullest experience from playstation. It will total out to $70 annually.

Me, im not angry but the news isn't welcoming either. :(

Oh I didnt know about the discount thanks for clearing that up. AT least you are getting a few free games :ugh2:


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