lol I've often been subject to a litany of immature and vulgar insults from "quality players" on xbl.

You're spot on with the Kinect! I can see it fully integrating with tactical shooters where you can give voice commands to your AI teammates or the various military hand signals and so on. Can't wait till I get my hands on my own Xbox One.

That probably would have been the way they would have went, if it weren't for pre sales. The couple articles I read speculated that the only reason for the change in course is that their pre sales were dreadful.

Every system is going to have little kids cause used mom and pops CC number to get on Live. The good thing about Xbox charging is that less immature kids are on the network. Hell PS3 anybody with a internet connection can get on.

The only features we are missing is the Family/Friends cloud ability. And honestly, its an easy fix if they just limit it to digital content.

What you may be assuming is that people were uninformed about the new features. A few anecdotal stories about people you know, or heard from other people about misinformation do not necessarily make it true for everyone.

Contrary to what you may think, MS didn't make all those policies because of piracy, MS was trying to control was the used/rental game market. And for many people, that is a critical feature of physical discs. It would seem that being able to resell the disc or loan it out as a person sees fit trumps "cloud gaming" and the features rolled into it.

I am happy that MS backtracked on their stance about resale and always on. And now the Xbone is back to a buying consideration for me.

Yep, that was it.
The pre-sale figures from internal reports have been down right horrible. MS had to do something to change this course or else the One would be a bigger flop than Wii U (which is doing horrible currently).

Though I am still not buying either day one, happy with my PS3. Does what I need & when I want.

I still think it was overly premature to react to initial pre-sale figures. They JUST started the pre-sale, what did they expect? The Internet army was hammering away at them for their decision, so the mainstream consumer was exposed to a lot more anti-XBox than any other article regarding the next gen consoles.

I agree Microsoft had to do something, but I think they pulled the plug way too fast. I actually thought the digital sharing service was a brilliant idea, just the understanding wasn't there, and gamers being HIGHLY CONSERVATIVE (seriously, what the **** guys, it's 2013 already get with it), they recoiled at any price hike they see.

Which, again, is hilarious because we aren't batting an eye at the $400 price tag for the PS4.

I'd say the price isn't a big deal, until people and parents are at the stage of actually buying it, or in front of the shelves. Price of a console isn't otherwise very high in people's minds. That's just my observation anyway.

Whether the features are revolutionary or not, the one thing I do know is that Microsoft's response to consumers was poorly handled. Personally, I don't care how much better the system is or is not. I will not give up my money to a company that treats its customers the way that Microsoft did. From the deal with it guy, to the oh we have a product for you people who can't afford the Xbox1 or don't have Internet, it is the 360. Consumers can be as pig headed as they want, they are your customers and should be treated with respect. Because, in the end customers will "deal with it" and buy your competitor's products and not your old 360. So to sum it all up as Sony capitalized on the consumer's stupidity is a bit insulting. Had Microsoft educated the consumer, and not treated them badly, then there would have been nothing for Sony to capitalize on. Sony did what any good company would do, they listened to the consumer and gave them what they wanted. They did not try to tell the consumer what they should be doing, and get mad at the consumer for not agreeing with them.

From my understanding, the PS4 uses only about a GB of its ram compared to the Xbox1's 3GB of ram used for the OS. So that leaves the PS4 with 2 extra GBs of faster ram. As for cloud computing, considering that the Xbox1 no longer requires an Internet connection that feature may be dead in the water. You have to make your games for the lowest common denominator (i.e. those with no Internet connection now). So I'm not exactly sure if cloud computing can be used to position the Xbox1 as significantly better hardware wise compared the PS4.

As for the integration features of the Xbox1, no thanks. I'm sure they'll all be tied to having an Xbox Gold membership like the 360 is. As for the Kinect, no thanks. These are just my personal opinions of course. Some people may not care about spending the money for an Xbox Gold membership, and they may love the Kinect. The point is they don't work for me, but that doesn't make me "pig-headed". Fortunately for me, Sony offers a competing product and offers the consumer a choice. I don't want to have to pay Microsoft 15 bucks a month to stream videos through their Xbox. I have countless other products that allow me to do that for free.

Prior to their reversal, I wouldn't have even considered an Xbox1. I probably still won't get one. It is a possibility now though, but none of their exclusives really do it for me. If that changes in the future and the price is right, then maybe. Time will also tell if any games really take advantage of the Kinect aside from dancing around.

Either way, wish everyone the best of luck on their chosen next gen console. Both should provide tons of quality entertainment.

Hey Mr&Mrs, can you elaborate on what you know about this point?

Its true I posted links to the spec sheets. Microsoft needing 3gigs of RAM for their OS is understandable. They are running quite a bit of background capabilities with it. The PS4 will be doing some of the same but 1gig for the OS seems to me cutting it tight even if it is DDR5. They would have been better off with using 2gigs I would think.

Here are some technical details:

The Xbox One has an 8-core AMD CPU with 8GB of DDR3 RAM, and Gigabit Ethernet. The latest leaks suggest that the Xbox One will have an 8-core 64-bit x86 Jaguar AMD CPU @ 1.6GHz, coupled with a GPU that’s very close to the Radeon HD 7790. The Xbox One will have 68GB/sec of bandwidth between the CPU/GPU and RAM, the GPU will have 102GB/s of bandwidth to a local 32MB SRAM cache, and another 30GB/s of bandwidth to gamepads, Kinect, and other peripherals.

The PS4 has an 8-core Jaguar AMD CPU, with a GPU similar to the Radeon 7870. The PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 RAM, providing 176GB/s of bandwidth to both the CPU and GPU.

The Xbox One mostly makes up this difference with 32MB of high-speed SRAM on the GPU, but it will be a little more difficult to develop for.

As I mentioned before comparing these things do not really mean that much to me personally. Developers are not going to spend the extra resources to make a game that much better on another platform. If it is PS4 only game yes it may have a little better graphics i.e snow/rain falling than the Xbox One.

Both systems are very similar and like I said before just skin the cat in a different way. Microsoft was ready to take us to the next level and it was not accepted obviously. We now have to wait and see what they can do with the cloud like Fortune mentioned. Like I said before people are going to get what they asked for.

@ Fortune

It is very easy to cause a snowball effect with the media and peoples reactions. I took Microsoft's answers exactly how it should have been taken. If you do not have internet get an Xbox 360. What else do you want them to say? Did they say it in a Care Bear cute cuddly way? No. The people that were in those positions should be punished.

My comment about the public's stupidity was meant to be a little offensive. I was stupid too until I started to research which was my point. Im sorry if I hurt your feelings. I wasnt going to jump on the hate wagon until I knew details, and guess what? They were pretty far off from the truth. So ya thats stupid to me that people can just go on what they hear without any proof.

Im honestly ticked off that Microsoft changed directions. I was ready for the next revolution in gaming, not just a game that looks more realistic on my TV. I hope they can still use the cloud power how it was anticipated. It sure would have been nice to share my games with friends and family as well without the worry of them ruining my disc or losing it.

The problem with the get a 360 instead of the XboxOne is that would work fine if there was no PS4 that did not require an Internet connection. Gamers have an option to get next gen games and NOT have to get a Xbox360. It doesn't have to be done in a Care Bear cuddly way, but you are talking to your customers. Customers that do NOT have to give you their money, and there are competitors who are more than willing to embrace those customers. It's simple business 101, it takes a lot more to earn a new customer or in this case win a customer back than it takes to keep them.

As for the public and the bandwagon, were some people angry at rumors and misinterpreted information? Sure. That doesn't mean that they all were though. Truth in this case is quite subjective and is all about what you value in a game console. From what I was reading, it sounded as if you were placing a lot of blame on Sony for capitalizing on Microsoft's poor PR, and for the public for not realizing the awesome benefits as you, or Microsoft see them. All I'm saying is Microsoft failed pretty hard on this. (Not necessarily software or hardware wise, but certainly PR wise) If the public was uneducated or jumping to conclusions, they should have corrected it and before it could do the damage it did.

Regarding losing discs or having them scratched. I'm an adult and haven't had a game disc scratched or lost in as long as I can remember. So I don't see that as any revolution in gaming. Blu-rays are much more scratch resistant, and there's always digital downloads if it is that big of a problem for you. To me, a bigger deal was being able to rent a game or buy a used game. Some games I don't really care to play or am not sure about. Why pay 60 bucks for a game that I can beat in a day and has no replay value? That just creates the incentive to make bad games. As much as I dislike Nintendo, they had it right when they said if it's such a problem, just make better games with more replay value. If the game is good and has replay value, then my friends should be getting a copy of their own anyway. Then there's also Sony's support for Indie developers compared to Microsoft which is a big plus in my book.

You also don't have to worry about hurting my feelings. I spent a lot of time playing around in the sand with no Internet connection, so my feelings are pretty tough to hurt. That's probably why I also disliked the Xbox One's check in requirement. It just sounded like the Microsoft side was well represented already, so I figured I'd jump in and add some points for the Sony side and liven it up. :stirthepot:(Without deteriorating into any fanyboyism on either side, hopefully)

I have a question call it dumb of you want but can Microsoft later change their mind and do the license thing?

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Ahhhh... Did i miss somehing here?:icon14: I was planning on getting the Xbox One..... Should I hold out on it? the link on the other page is not working for me..... Whats the deal with it? in a nut shell...?:ugh2:

Can they? Without a doubt, yes.
The real question is, will they? And the only answer is... maybe? It would certainly be a very bad PR move, but that hasn't stopped them before :roflpuke2:

On the plus side, I did read an article that stated they plan to continue with the cloud computing. So I'm curious to what extent and how they will implement it.