The New "What did you do with your Z today" (with off topic replies) V

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

whitelines are 36, 60% stiffness on the front and rear was like 16, 40, 60 or something. i dont remember off hand.

im here to talk experience, not myths.

if one was to swap just one swaybar on our cars, they'd net more by doing the front first, then add rear to compensate if the front was too stiff.

unless one's setting up solely for drifting, then i dont know. i dont drift. i mean, i let the rear step out sometimes, but that's not a drift...and my goal is to be able to punch out of a turn without stepping out.

i dont auto-x, but a lot of folks use stiff setting on the front and stock or no bar on the rear.

Experience of course. I wasn't trying to spread myths, but merely bring them to light so those With experience can trounce them. I don't know everything about suspension, so I'm trying to find out what I can from who I can of those with more experience.

I'm just cruious about it all because I've never had my Z come out from me in a turn (I know that means I'm not pushing hard enough

) but my thought is it doing that, and the wrong thing happening because it doesn't come back.

I do intend to track mine though, so they were not wasted purchases.

ZMan8 · 04-16-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

whitelines are 36, 60% stiffness on the front and rear was like 16, 40, 60 or something. i dont remember off hand.

im here to talk experience, not myths.

if one was to swap just one swaybar on our cars, they'd net more by doing the front first, then add rear to compensate if the front was too stiff.

unless one's setting up solely for drifting, then i dont know. i dont drift. i mean, i let the rear step out sometimes, but that's not a drift...and my goal is to be able to punch out of a turn without stepping out.

i dont auto-x, but a lot of folks use stiff setting on the front and stock or no bar on the rear.

Auto x only allows one sway bar to be changed if you want to stay in street class.

Also, that's not very stiff on the whitelines... Most of the others can go much stiffer....

alcheng · 04-16-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, that's wat im thinking too, mr.alcheng. from my past experience and current setting i have in my G, the front is setup much stiffer than the rear and my thought is that the front just needs a little bit of stiffening on the Z and it's all good. will see.

not necessarily. most bars in soft setting is still usually stiffer than stock.

im just going totally by the amount of stiffness i have on my G and using that experience in parallel on the Z. 35-36% stiffer than stock on the front is probably all the car needs.

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

mr.alcheng- all i need now is a sunny warm weekend...

alcheng · 04-16-2013, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Yes they do.

Hmm, cause I have the Whitelines myself, F/R, and have them set on the "OEM-like" setting. So I'd like to see your thoughts as well.

I heard there was some myth that having different stiffness' on F/R based on aftermarket Front and OEM rear, or vis versa, would cause very poor handling? (Driver mod excluded)

that is if you stiffen the rear suspension too much with either sway bar or the spring/coilover.

Remember the stiffer the rear the less of the traction it will have. Too soft, it will induce understeer.

Sway bar will decrease body-roll, however, it will still increase the stiffness of the suspension, mainly on the inertial-response before the sway starts compressing the suspension on the other side.

Some people just blindly stiffen everything and thought it is the way to go, and ends up lose all the traction front and back thus the car is like skating on the road.

Especially on a RWD car, the rear end is very sensitive, if you mod the rear end in a wrong way could induce over-steer on both turn-in and exit.

That's why, on street/DD, it's not a must to change the rear unless it's necessary.

The most important is you feel the handling of the car is 'balance'

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Originally Posted by kenchan

mr.alcheng- all i need now is a sunny warm weekend...

me too....

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 12:58 PM

woot, wife let me know the door bell works.

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

woot, wife let me know the door bell works.

Did the milkman stop by or something?

kenchan · 04-16-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Did the milkman stop by or something?

oh shitto...

Huck · 04-16-2013, 01:00 PM

Do milkmen still even exist?

Sent from my iPizzle using magic and new-fangled science stuff

alcheng · 04-16-2013, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Isn't that the point with the aftermarket sways having multiple settings? Isn't one of them "OEM like" so that you can start there and adjust as needed?

Yes, but the stiffness of the OEM at the back is fine for regular driving too, therefore it's an option to change the rear.

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

Did the milkman stop by or something?

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Originally Posted by Huck

Do milkmen still even exist?

Ask your wife, she might know....

blackcherry20 · 04-16-2013, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

woot, my whiteline just arrived, per my camera.

i have a feeling my front door bell is broken..

probably from too many cycles receiving UPS shipments from amazon.

had to ask the wife to pull it in from the porch. apparently she hasn't heard the doorbell for a while.
and i did not hear it either when that whore came by over the weekend.

mr. Kenchan!
Funny!

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Originally Posted by JARblue

If I had to, I would pay the cost of the oil change for the dealership not to do an oil change on the Z

I would be a different story if the closest dealership weren't completely incompetent

my dealership has been great. So far. It will only take one time though and pffft. Done.

right now I'm loving the drive and the 50 or 60$$$ savings

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Excellent!

You might want to get that doorbell replaced; you don't want to be missing your whores when they call on you

funny!!! You guys!

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Originally Posted by kenchan

msbc- wow $10 oil change is a super deal. i diy and my cost is at least $32... $26~27 for oil, $5~6 for filter and washer.

i know! Cool huh?! And its forever. They have no idea that this car will DIE before i sell it

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Originally Posted by kenchan

mr.gale how the heck? i was searching amazon right now.

maybe he hacked your camera?! Doo doo doo doo

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Mr.kenchan, while you just motor your Z once a week on Sat for about 45 mins.... I bet the OEM endlink will last forever....

a wireless-stringphone??? a.k.a. yelling at each other.... wirelessly..

Good Afternoon Everyone

hey LTT!

wot up?

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Originally Posted by alcheng

Yes, but the stiffness of the OEM at the back is fine for regular driving too, therefore it's an option to change the rear.

Ask your wife, she might know....

good one!!
Hi zman, huck and haboob pint and gale

And davey

up w contractor?

Pintsize725 · 04-16-2013, 01:47 PM

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

ZMan8 · 04-16-2013, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

XwChriswX · 04-16-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, i experimented quite a bit on my G in the past. im sure your swaybars are a great investment.

i just dont want to over do the bits if i dont have to and taking it in steps. when i did my G, i changed both bars, endlinks, springs (2sets), adjustable dampers, arms, etc. and it took a while to get her all dialed in at the ride height i wanted. it was compensation after compensation. spent a lot of time getting the alignment, hours of trials. i dont have time for that any more.

Yep, that's basically what I've done (be it the right or wrong way according to some people

) that I get the car modded to the point it's upgraded everywhere, then I can customize it to my specific wants. I get the car up to a certain point, then as the driver I grow into the car. In my mind it makes sense, hopefully it does on a logical perspective to those more educated.

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Originally Posted by Pintsize725

Bought a used Stillen bracket.

For the front plate?

Like the avi pic.

Pintsize725 · 04-16-2013, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by XwChriswX

For the front plate?

Like the avi pic.

Yup. We'll see how long it stays on.

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