My wife and I are both gun nuts. I literally have no idea how many we have.

Here are two of my newest. The 1911 is a Springfield Range Officer that has been NP3+ coated by Robar. The revolver I got for Valentine's Day. It is a Raging Judge 454 casul/410/45 colt

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3884/...27d0fb79d8.jpgragin judge 454 by DanK1, on Flickr

Also just bought a Glock 17 in Gen 4. Again I'll post up pics when I get them both home. Probably next week. Here's the only pic I have of the Glock (and it's not a Gen 4).

So I was at another gun shop today and I told the guy I was looking to possibly get a .45 in the future. He pulls out a never used and just traded in Gen 3 Glock 21. Says 500 for it, I know that's high being that its last generation and its now technically used even if the original owner never fired the gun in the year he owned it. I was like hmm, should I roll in a few weeks down the line and offer cash on it or get a 1911. I love my glocks, never had a 1911. Just wondered if I could get him at a good price and if so, whats fair on it without being rude to the owner of the shop?

I'm not even American and new to guns. But G21 All the way.lol

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now that you live in Florida, time to become American and buy some guns! :tup:

I don't c it:confused:

That's all already been addressed. Trust me lol

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Technically, just because it's been sold once, doesn't make it used. GunBroker calls those 'like new', but imho, if the gun has never been shot, it's new. 500 is a fair price for a .45, a good 1911 will start at 700 and go up from there. I paid $700 for a Para SST (government length 1911), $700 for a Colt Officer's Model and about $750 for my Combat Commander. I have a Kimber Ultra Carry II that was about $1900. Hope this helps.

I've seen tons and tons of ar500 videos and almost nothing penetrates it. Yesterday we were shooting at a 6x8 1/4" plate you can get off ebay for a plate carrier. We shot 8mm Mauser 196gr from a 1944 Mauser 24.5", .308 150gr from a Springfield m1a 18", every 5.56mm you can think of including green tip from 10" to 18" barrels etc. not even more than a few dings.

A guy comes along and punches right through it 5 times with a ar15 like it was nothing! I ask him what ammo he used and he just said normal 55gr FMJ!! But he says with his 24" barrel they're doing 3700fps. Was this guy telling the truth? I get more velocity is better but even a normal 55gr round at that speed I'd think ar500 would stop it. Any thoughts or calculators out there to guess his kinetic energy when a .308 m1a wouldn't even scratch it? Was he lying? Using AP rounds?

Anyone owns a tavor?
How do u guys like it if u do?
I finally got to hold one at a local gun store and I do like how it feels. It has some heaft from the back but once u shoulder it, its doesn't feel heavy. But the first thing I noticed the pencil thinned barrel. It seems its not very durable for longevity.
I wonder if the military uses a thicker barrel vs the consumer version.

A Q&D look through pics of the Tavor on the Intertubes looks like the barrel is about the same "weight" as the thinner parts of a M4 barrel for the AR-15. But I've never seen a Tavor in person and it's difficult to tell from pictures. I figure any weapon used by the Israeli military will be tough and reliable - they don't mess around.

I call BS. The longer barrel won't increase muzzle velocity, that is a function of the powder that is burned. At that speed, that bullet would come apart on impact, not penetrate. The chamber pressure required to generate that velocity would exceed SAAMI specifications and the gun isn't long for this world. My guess is steel-cored 5.56, since it defeats most armor out there. That's my :twocents:

My friend does. Can't complain. It's a 5.56 that shoots like any other in my eyes. Head shots at 100 yards. It's ugly as **** but if you can't afford or get the tax stamp on a SBR its a good option. Its a 16" barrel, so 6" longer than mine. Its 26" overall vs my 26.5". And again its legal to own. And with that 6" barrel you get more kinetic energy and better accuracy therefor more deadly. Don't you love our govt laws?! :confused:

Actually we figured it out on ar15.com. The bullets traveling fast enough and the time it takes for the bullet to hit the plate from start to finish is more powerful then the slower .308 or 8mm Mauser. Like hitting a nail with a hammer vs pushing on the nail with a rock and all your weight. You can get more power with a rock and weight but at a longer time with no penetration. At 3700fps the little 5.56 is actually going fast enough it's exceeding the breaking point of the steel. We can see this from the ar500 actually chipping at the very tip where the round entered.

And I'm not sure where you heard barrel length doesn't increase velocity but that's false. Every inch in a 5.56 is about 200fps. My 10" barrel shooting the same rounds is over 1000fps slower vs his 24".

Interesting. Since most of my 5.56 platform guns are 16", muzzle velocity doesn't matter much to me. While the 5.56 will shoot to 600 yards, I don't see much need to shoot that range with that small of round. For 600 to 1000 yards, I prefer a .308 or .30-06 (again, personal opinion/preference). While muzzle velocity will increase to a point over a 10" barrel, there is a barrel length that you get max velocity, anything over that will actually cause a decrease. So maybe I was a little out of line saying 'BS' on the m.v. claim. Unless you were shooting over a chronograph to get an accurate reading on velocity, someone saying his muzzle velocity is xxxx, I tend to be a little skeptical. That's just me. I'm more of an accuracy guy, I load to what gives me the best performance out of my gun at the range I want to use it for. For what it's worth, I just looked at Federal's website for their ammunition. It shows that a 55 grain boat tail is driven at 3240 fps. They show 3700 fps with a 40 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip.

I definitely don't want to get into a disagreement over m.v. on a 5.56, or what it does to body armor. I've been around firearms for a long time, and I tend to be skeptical when someone claims a m.v. that sounds outrageous to me. It's great that there are Z owners that enjoy firearms and shooting, so on that note, I'll say no more about 5.56 m.v. :)