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m4a1mustang 01-18-2013 06:30 PM

Given the current environment I think if you can get a top tier AR for around 2500 you're doing OK. I don't see prices coming down quickly if an AWB is shot down. All of the near term supply is gone and I don't think that many will end up on consignment shelves.

m4a1mustang 01-18-2013 10:06 PM

If we see a 10 round limit on magazine capacity take effect in the future, would any of you 9mm guys think about moving up to .40 or .45?

I realize limiting a G17 or G19 to only 10 rounds really makes no sense. Why carry 10 rounds of 9mm when you could carry 10 of something bigger?

xdeslitx 01-19-2013 02:14 AM

The way i see it is shot placent...doesnt matter if youre carrying bigger caliber if you cant shoot it straight.

On another note i live in commie fornia where theres a 10rd limit but i have 23rnd mags for my G34...

Red__Zed 01-19-2013 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2119527)
If we see a 10 round limit on magazine capacity take effect in the future, would any of you 9mm guys think about moving up to .40 or .45?

I realize limiting a G17 or G19 to only 10 rounds really makes no sense. Why carry 10 rounds of 9mm when you could carry 10 of something bigger?

I would move completely to single stack .45.

It would actually be a good excuse to get a few more 1911s

OMGiGOTaZ 01-19-2013 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2119527)
If we see a 10 round limit on magazine capacity take effect in the future, would any of you 9mm guys think about moving up to .40 or .45?

I realize limiting a G17 or G19 to only 10 rounds really makes no sense. Why carry 10 rounds of 9mm when you could carry 10 of something bigger?

I'm already carrying a 10rd +1 40 most days I can get away with it...

it's not being able to order Mags for my Glock 34 that is a little upsetting:mad:

BlackZeda 01-19-2013 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2119527)
If we see a 10 round limit on magazine capacity take effect in the future...

Do you have a clear understanding of what they mean by the 10 round limit? Does that mean new weapons and magazines can't have more than a 10 round capacity, or that actually carrying or shooting a weapon with more than 10 rounds would be illegal?

MacCool 01-19-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackZeda (Post 2119730)
Do you have a clear understanding of what they mean by the 10 round limit? Does that mean new weapons and magazines can't have more than a 10 round capacity, or that actually carrying or shooting a weapon with more than 10 rounds would be illegal?

I don't see where any legislation has been introduced into either house that specifically addresses magazine capacity. All we have so far is Diane Feinstein's declared intent, wherein she proposes:
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Ban large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds
AFAIK, nobody has seen any specific bill (yet), so that actual language isn't available. IOW, we don't know what any such bill looks like, or how it will be modified in committee, or what the final voted bill says, or how it will be reconciled in Conference Committee with any House bill that might get submitted, modified, and passed.

In the Democrat-controlled Senate, Harry Reid (D-Nevada) said the following about Feinstein's proposal concepts:

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Let’s be realistic,” Reid recently told PBS’s “Nevada Week in Review.” “In the Senate, we’re going to do what we think can get through the House, and I’m not going to go through a bunch of gyrations just to say we’ve done something. If we’re really legislators, the purpose of it is to pass legislation. Is it something that can pass the Senate? Maybe. Is it something that can pass the House? I doubt it,”
It's not even certain that Senator Leahy (Chairman of Senate Judiciary Committee and "C"-rated by the NRA) will even let Feinstein's bill on the Committee floor for debate.

The one hooker in the deal relative to the Judiciary Committee is if Senator Feinstein gets the chairmanship. Reportedly, Senator Leahy wants the Chairmanship of the Senate Approprations Committee, now vacant after Senator Inouye's death. That would leave Judicary open for Feinstein, who is a very senior senator. THEN her bill might get a hearing before the committee, but given Harry Reid's position, it's not clear how much traction it will get, or whether he will let it on the floor for a vote if it does pass committee.

Even if it did get to the Senate floor, it's far from clear that it would pass. And even if it did pass, it's highly unlikely any companion bill would pass the House.

The problem with all of this is whether compromises might take place to get something passed. IMHO, the focal point of any such compromise could be magazine capacities. Depending on many factors such a magazine capacity limit might or might not include a grandfather clause like the 1994 AWB had in it.

Wheels within wheels. Bottom line--we just don't know anything about magazine capacities yet and rampant speculation is way, way premature.

UNKNOWN_370 01-19-2013 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang (Post 2119240)
Given the current environment I think if you can get a top tier AR for around 2500 you're doing OK. I don't see prices coming down quickly if an AWB is shot down. All of the near term supply is gone and I don't think that many will end up on consignment shelves.



You know how many idiots are racking their credit cards buying guns they don't need by the dozen just to horde and gouge in the future??? People will have to sell half of what they're buying just to pay bills... lol
Just mentioning without a political agenda to my comment. Now that i see the general reaction to the proposals, I'm not worried about a ban per say. The thing to buy is mags and AR stocks. They might try to make us use fixed stocks??? .

UNKNOWN_370 01-19-2013 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2112607)
I need to find a way to get my hands on an AR :(



Do what i'm doing now. Thursday night i said fvck it and started ordering upper parts I'm just buying parts. I ordered a 6.8 barrel, a magpul forward stock and later i will buy an Adams arms piston sytem, last thing i will need is a BCG,upper and upper parts kit. I estimate $1100 in parts total, but i think i will have a rifle worth about $1900-2200 in a normal market when i'm done'

I have 2 lowers i built myself. Some parts you can get little buy little. And an AR is a fvckin easy build. Just a few PITA areas on the lower, difficulty level i think is a 6 out of 10.

MacCool 01-19-2013 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2120060)
Do what i'm doing now. Thursday night i said fvck it and started ordering upper parts I'm just buying parts. I ordered a 6.8 barrel, a magpul forward stock and later i will buy an Adams arms piston sytem, last thing i will need is a BCG,upper and upper parts kit. I estimate $1100 in parts total, but i think i will have a rifle worth about $1900-2200 in a normal market when i'm done'.

"Frankenguns"...AR15's assembled from parts... generally net a very low return in a normal marketplace. Usually one is much better off to disassemble and sell the parts separately.

MacCool 01-19-2013 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2120054)
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They might try to make us use fixed stocks??[/B]? .


Doubtful. Acquiring mazagzines might make more sense, but only if greater-than-10-rounders are grandfathered, which is not the way Diane Feinstein is leaning. One could spend a lot of money in the current marketplace to acquire a lot of high-capacity magazines only to find that they are all illegal...which is what happened in New York last week.

m4a1mustang 01-19-2013 03:52 PM

We'll see what happens. Really wish I had a free lower right now.

ZeeingAround 01-19-2013 09:44 PM

Can't get magazines with more than 10 rounds? My 3D printer says otherwise.

What is it with this magic number 10? As if that makes any kind of difference. The magic bullet that counts is your vote. Use it.

UNKNOWN_370 01-20-2013 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2120077)
"Frankenguns"...AR15's assembled from parts... generally net a very low return in a normal marketplace. Usually one is much better off to disassemble and sell the parts separately.

I meant performance wise. The equivalent in features and performance. Also, that seriously depends which parts you build it with. If most of your gun is a DPMS/CMMG kit,stag upper parts and your only upgrades is Barrel and trigger and some tacticool crap on it.... It won't net much.

But if you use a CMT/Barrett lower on a LWRC parts kit, American Gold/Geisselle trigger, Troy Sights/ Adams arms foregrip and possibly an AApiston system, throw in Magpul miad grips, Magpul CTR/ACS stock FN/Green moutain or Wison combat barrel. Cerakote your parts and pay attention to detail.

I bet my gun wil be more sought after. Frankenguns are usually better anyway, because you can suit everything to your taste. And you don't have to worry if your gun every breaks down, cuz you will know exactly how to fix it. No one has quality control better gthan you. thats why i build my own lowers, cuz even on expensive guns. Lowers are usually shyt. Well manufactured Mil-spec parts most of the time fit like a glove. Very little retrofitting has to be done when using quality parts.

UNKNOWN_370 01-20-2013 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool (Post 2120083)
Doubtful. Acquiring mazagzines might make more sense, but only if greater-than-10-rounders are grandfathered, which is not the way Diane Feinstein is leaning. One could spend a lot of money in the current marketplace to acquire a lot of high-capacity magazines only to find that they are all illegal...which is what happened in New York last week.


This point to me is pointless and means nothing to me in terms of the fact that, the high cap mags may become illegal and NOT grandfathered. But our second amendment can't be changed so I'm not breaking the law. The law-makers are. That said. This comment means nothing imho. I can lock my mags away and keep doing what im doing currently to support my rights.

But if there's a SHTF scenario. i'm sure my neighbors will be glad i had 20 hi cap mags for each of my guns. Regardless of law.


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