That's why I'm moving this year. Looking for 25-40 acres near fayetteville,ar.

I'm a glock/ar fan.

I'm looking for a good AR/AK alternative. Trying to cross shop hk416, scar-L, and the Bushmaster ACR. All three are right around the same price which is $3k! Eeek. but i am looking to make a SHTF rifle.

I did hear there was a recall on the bushmaster where the semi auto were auto.

I like the 416 because its a reliable version of a weapon I am familiar with and tons of aftermarket support.

I like the Scar-L because it being lightweight and reliable while maintaining accuracy.

I like the ACR because it is everything I think I am looking for. I have followed this rifle since it was the magpul masada, but because it is such a new product...I have my doubts.

Any input?

Edit: As far as the ACR goes, I would have much rather bushmaster and remington didn't destroy magpul's amazing weapon...and maybe the reason I am drawn to the ACR is because I know what it was with magpul... Its the least likely option for me, and it really comes down to the 416 and scar-l.

Well i wouldn't completely say a .22lr is not a good defensive weapon. Its better than nothing.
Plus other than living here in cali which your only allowed 10rd, in a free state and able to get 25 plus rounds imagine putting 10 plus rounds quickly into someone. I would say that person will go down for sure unless he's wearing a bullet proof vest or something. Hell shot the legs up.
Also a .22lr can do some damage since it's very light and will bounce around inside the body. Hell it could be more damaging.

Short story (happened in the sacramento area). A kid was playing around with a pellet gun (the pellet was metal) hit his buddy on accident. The kid with the pellet gun was sitting down and his friend was standing by him. If i can remember it right, he was shot some where in the rib area apparently bounced off his rib bone and some how hit a major artery. I guess 10min or so the kid walked home and bleed to death. Internal bleeding. I believe they were like 10 or 12yrs old. I thought cali didn't allow metal pellets or BB's. Anyways it sucks that it happened.

Any how i have a spikes lower and cmmg complete upper .22lr AR style (my first). I shot about 100 rds and had one FTF. I have the BHOA with the second gen mag. Fun to shoot i just need to get it sighted in. I'm just worried that i don't keep getting FTF or FTE often. One of the main reason i bought a AR style .22 is because i had a 2 extra AR lowers and instead of just sitting in my safe forever i might as well put one of them to use. I was going to with Marling or 10/22.

Anyone else have FTF or FTE once in while with their AR style .22lr's? Pretty common?

I'm thinking of getting a marlin 795, or a bolt action version. I assume it would have less issues compared to a AR style .22lrs.
I am using winchester bulk ammo. I'll try federal bulk ammo next. I got them at wally world aka walmart. The ghetto store of america:happydance:

They are over pricey if you ask me. Plus if you need extra parts it would be hard to come by especially the HK or the scar. Well i assume parts aren't readily available.

HK416 piston AR is way over priced. I would get a LWRC or even a POF (which i own).

As for the ACR or scar i really like their ambidextrous features. Since i'm a lefty it would be really nice if other AR companies did the same. It would make it a little bit easier for me. Some do but not nearly as compared to scar or the acr.

The Scar Mk. 17 really does have quite an appeal. And I know they are pricey, but I feel like the old ar-15 is the past and I should be embracing the future. I am basically looking for "my baby". I have a big game "baby" I have a varmint "baby" I have a nightstand "baby" and a carry "baby". Honestly, I wish I could get some trigger time behind them all; but its more difficult to test drive auto loaders than cars. :/

I really like the SCAR and even though it is light I feel like I am shooting a super soaker that has been converted to fire .223.

My philosophy when it comes to a SHTF scenario is to have a rifle that is common and the ammo will be readily available (and you can carry a lot of it). The AR-15 definitlely fits that bill, and if you treat it right it is very reliable especially if you upgrade the bolt carrier to a FailZero. Plus with an AR-15 you can buy two and have one as a backup or ready parts collection for the same price as one of what you are considering.

If you don't mind not having a cool-looking, fancy assault rifle a couple Ruger Mini-14s would also be a great option.

I can't relate to SHTF...geography being what it is, I'm not a true believer. AR15 for home defense? Not around here. I keep all my firearms locked up, but I have three golden retrievers on a hair trigger.

Personally, I wouldn't own a Bushmaster of any kind. IMHO, the whole ACR project has turned into a huge fiasco. Scar-L and SCAR-H...underwhelming in my experience. The 416 is a nice weapon, although I don't think it brings anything to the table that makes it worth its premium price. Not a believer in gas piston rifles either.

The Mini-14 seems nice but I wouldn't give it the time of day due to the accuracy issues. I like being able to hit a target further than 100 meters. I don't like DI rifles because the obvious shortcomings are important to me.

And in a shtf scenario the higher maintenance required is a detriment in my mind. I really like the scar 17. I just wish it was cheaper.

And if the ACR was still the masada, I would be sold before I bought it.

What "obvious shortcomings" do you perceive in direct impingement rifles?

"higher maintenance"? It will give you something to do while you're hunkered in your bunker.



eta: Relative to the SCAR...I think one of the best discourses on the platform can be found here:

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=62889




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The detriments of DI, i feel are high maintenance to maintain reliability, and life of parts.

Thank you for the link, that is exactly what I was looking for. If only this guy did an ar10/scar17 comparison. If I went Scar, i would go 7.62 because i know for sure that this 17 isn't going anywhere since the navy had fn cancel the 16 and make 17s.

But overall thanks, this comparison is exactly why i came to this thread. looking for something that google doesn't seem to want to help me with.:tiphat:

The Z club of florida is having a little bet together at the range in Dade City this saturday if you want to come up and try outsome different guns. I had a px4 compact, it shot well but the safety was uncomfortable when racking the slide. I'll let you shoot my sig 226. It may make you spend more money than you anticipated though.

I'd like that, thanks! I'll be up in Tampa for another meeting sat morning, so okay if I come by early-mid afternoon? where can i get more details?

350Z Club of Florida Forums. Even if you can't make the meet, I live a couple of miles from the range. I have 5 acres and a small range on my property. Burgers and beer also.

An odd statement. Do you have any actual hands-on experience with the Stoner platform?