How A Pilot Refused A Full Body Scan And Now May Lose His Job

Mike

The TSA has never found any weapons intended to be used on an airplane. They are a bunch of uneducated neanderthals. And, while I don't have kids, If I did, I wouldn't want one of those losers feeling her up and traumatizing her for life.

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Pushing_Tin

There's no doubt some of them are morons, just like their are moron cops, pilots and so on. If TSA only stopped one bomber out of 300 million people screened would you say that it was worth it?

Mike

No, I wouldn't. There is a reason why they call it terrorism. When we let TSA get away with this crap, the terrorists win. There are much more effective methods than what they are doing. This is all window dressing. We need to actively profile passengers, like the Israelis do.

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dad

More effective methods than what they are doing.- Why don't you tell us of these methods?

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Mike

profiling. Grandma and your 13 year old aren't terrorists, neither are 99.99% of the people traveling and everyone knows it. The Israelis question everyone, and it doesn't matter what they ask, its the reaction they look for.


Pushing Tin asked about screening 300 million to find one terrorist.
My airline carries 170 million passengers per year and we are about 1/6th of the traffic. so that would mean about 1 billion plus per year in the USA. We have been at this since 9/11 for 9+ years, so that is close to 10 billion passengers and we haven't found one terrorist.

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dad

Your calling it a failure. Suppression is working. Until Mahmud finds a back door, he knows the front door is rather useless to enter! On the same token, "Don't be mislead by the calm"!

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dad

That will do nothing but "scream discrimination", plus Constitutional rights issues will be brought up.

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Mike

not racial profiling, terrorist profiling. The Israelis question everyone. It doesn't even matter what questions they ask, its how the people respond, and they are very good at weeding them out.

I just heard on the radio today, that there is an Al Qaida magazine they put out in Saudi Arabia, I can't remember the name of it right now, but they had a statement on the toner cartridge bombs. They cost about $4200 each and weren't designed to kill lots of Americans, just to blow the planes up and kill the pilots, thereby causing the west to spend billions more on additional security checking for toner bombs. Once again, they are winning.

And, here is another example of why these TSAholes shouldn't be doing these enhanced pat downs:
TSA pat-down leaves traveler covered in urine - Travel - News - msnbc.com

and why aren't they wanding anymore? You set off a metal detector so they pat you down to see if you have non metallic items? That is ridiculous.

I will say, I have nothing against the scanners, and welcome those, its the other stuff thats out of hand.

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dad

I'm not referring to racial, just plain discrimination, and that will happen. Some one, no matter what race, or color will scream that. Which will bring bring in Gloria Allred.
If you choose not to be scanned, then you have to be patted down.

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FL 4Motion

/\ agreed. the luggage already gets scanned and cleared pretty thouroughly. As far as individuals go, I saw we need more explosive sniffing dogs randomly going thru the airport w/their handlers. Have them walk up and down past the line of folks waiting to go thru the metal detectors. that dog if well trained, will be infinitely better at alerting to a threat than an xray machine manned by imbeciles.

I am totally against all these new security rules. There's a balance between freedom and security. We're way too far on the wrong end of the spectrum at this point.

Short of sneaking a big ol suicide vest onto a plane, what hte hell is one or a few terrorists with box cutters or knives, or even a gun going to to? there's a whole flight full of people, can't cut, shoot or kill everyone. Plus odds are an air marshal is on the flight too. Quite being sheeple, if some bastard gets up on a flight and yells alahua akbar, and starts waving a weapon, the guy next to him needs to just kill the mohterfucker. Too long the citizens of this country have taken their "rights and freedoms" for granted, it's time more folks take responsibility for the priviledge that being an american is and step up and defend it vs. waiting for someone else (ie. in this case the TSA) to do it for us.

PS--I think this country is doomed however and it makes me very sad...

We are rotting from the inside out and most people can't even see it, or choose to bury their head in the sand.

Psychosomatic

IMO bless every plane with pigs blood on its maiden voyage. Problem solved.

~Psycho

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Carno

Are you ******* serious?

FL 4Motion

Yes, people die, it happens get over it. In my example, they can't kill or hurt everyone on the plane, the shear number of people on the plane could overwhelm a small group of terrorits, there'd be casualties, but the flight as a whole would not be doomed.

Carno

What the **** are you talking about? Do you not know how the terrorists took control of those planes on September 11th or have you just forgotten?