The New “What did you do with your Z today” (with off topic replies)

filip00

I agree and disagree with this. In most of the world, abortion is legal, for various reasons. A woman may have been raped, the fetus might have deformities, the birth might kill the woman, etc. There are very reasonable reasons why someone might want to "kill the child". I'm putting this in quotes because fetus is not yet a child. It could be though.

But yeah, you got a good point also saying that there is a double standard with "my body my choice" when you compare abortions with the covid vaccine. It is a double standard.

MZ DAIZY

I’m. Not going to get too deep into this subject due to the strong feelings on both sides. All I’ll say about abortion is…

it’s not (and never was) a Constitutional right.
It shouldn’t be taxpayer funded.
It is not illegal for certain exceptions in any State I know of. (rape, incest, etc.)
If it has a heartbeat, it’s not a fetus anymore.
Late term abortion is murder.

Just my

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vtec to vvel

esp. the bolded part.

filip00

I don't know where did you read that a heartbeat means it's not a fetus anymore. It is very much still a fetus.

Late term abortion is not murder, because spontaneous abortions never result in a funeral because.....the child was never there in the first place.
You can disagree all you want, the world has 195+ countries, and USA is just one of them. And if USA has its own definition of the abortion, it doesn't mean that 194+ other countries have this. Same goes for your constitution. I agree and am happy for whatever your people have chosen, and I'm also happy that each country has their own constitutions.

MZ DAIZY

I'm not going to dive too deep here, but a brief history lesson.

Roe v Wade was an unconstitutional law. Our Supreme court just ruled it so and returned the powers back to the States (50 of them). The federal government never should have overstepped the States own Constitution. It was overreach.

If you don't like your States laws, you can:
1. Vote for people who will change those laws. It's why we have State elections.
2. Move to a State that aligns with your preferred choice of birth control.
3. Have your abortion in another State that will gladly do it.

All the Court did was give those choices back to individuals of the STATES. It's really not a big deal, but don't tell certain people that. Contrary to what these people tell you, it's not illegal to have an abortion in the US. They're letting the majority decide on the issue instead of 9 partisan judges.

And thats what makes this Country the best in the world. For now, anyway.

It doesn't concern me what people do in other parts of the world. I don't live there so I have no say. Oh, and I don't believe taxpayers should be paying for birth control and I also think convicted sex offenders should be chemically castrated. Or executed. I'm good either way.

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blackcherry20

Well stated.
Federal government needs to

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filip00

I'm not even arguing with you. I only said a few pages ago that I agree and disagree with you and explained why. Also, not a bad idea to look at the rest of the world once in a while, you could learn a thing or two, regardless if you're living in the best country in the world or not.

MZ DAIZY

I wasn’t arguing, I was pointing out facts you probably wouldn’t know since MOST people in this country refuse to understand what happened.

As far as greatest country? Undefeated in two world wars, sweetie. You’d be speaking German if it wasn’t for us.

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vtec to vvel

There he goes with the "sweetie"

blackcherry20

“Two time world war champ”
My kid got me a tee with that on it. Lol

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filip00

<sigh>..... "sweetie", I'm literate enough that I AM speaking german. Kinda sucks for you that you're stuck with a colonially imposed english language. Do you at least know any other?

Also, you wouldn't believe it, but the rest of the world would rather have it that Uncle Sam keeps to his own soil.

FL 4Motion

One of the biggest reasons our foreign policy has been such a clusterfvxk so often is our arrogance and inability to look at issues from the other’s perspective. Kinda gives you some insight into why our politics are so fvcked up too eh?

vtec to vvel

There's many opinions on this.

Just because there is no funeral doesn't mean it's not murder. You don't need one and the other to equate to anything.

People/states/countries may have different laws, but universally, I think we can all agree that once a fetus has a heartbeat, this is the inception of life. Though this fetus does not have the ability to think/make decisions for itself, it is very much so a living being, and to end its life by another could/should be seen as murder.

And the argument for pro-abortion from rape/incest/etc. is a very very small percentage compared to other reasons for abortion:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...on/1211175001/

"Just 1% of women obtain an abortion because they became pregnant through rape, and less than 0.5% do so because of incest, according to the Guttmacher Institute."

MZ DAIZY

Glad someone else is taking the baton. I’m not interested in getting into another p1ssing match over a subject I really don’t care about.

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vtec to vvel

Nope, I already put in my 2 cents and this will be the last time I speak of that topic.