The new “what did you do to your Z today” (with off topic replies) XXXVIII

Originally Posted by madwi

Theres a phone in there just in case someone wakes up that aint actually dead.

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

So, to piggyback on this topic, apparently there are hfc out there that can meet carb/epa emissions like GESi 400 cel hfc, but I suppose the cost to get carb approval makes it impossible for any smaller company and even the one with deep pockets seem reluctant as well. Carb also doesn’t make it easy to get approval when you say remove factory cats etc, they don’t even want to hear you out it seems. Getting carb on a filter on a stick is expensive but doable and even then most companies can’t pass even that mod thru carb board.

Eventually we’ll probably see more carb approved stuff, but it will raise the cost to cover companies r&d costs, carb certification.

This makes things harder for the working and middle class car folks. Rich people aren’t affected by this, their gt3s and Ferraris, lambos, etc are fast as hell stock and emissions legal. No way for the regular joe to have access legallly to fast cars anymore/choices are more limited. I hope we can all learn to love zl1s and vettes.

If normal folks truly would be treated as well as big corporations, then we should be able to buy a form of carbon tax credits so we could mod our cars legally.

Something along the lines of a $100-200 per cat annual fee that you pay with your registration so that you get a sticker and now you can run hfcs and turbos etc without fear and the aftermarket could keep selling cool stuff. The annual fees could go to your state’s environmental protection/repair funds, that would help with combatting sea level rise here in south Florida as well as Everglades restoration. It’s a win win and the % of gear heads modding vehicles is a miniscule polllution issue compared to cow farts, big rigs, and power plants.

Originally Posted by jchammond

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Aren’t you doing a big turbo build? I’d be ******** myself right now if that was me, tuning, parts availablity, $37,500 epa fine (that one’s unlikely tho).

I almost didn’t post anything about this, but I figured to be forewarned is to be forarmed or however that saying goes.

I’ve been waiting for something like this to happen, honestly surprised it’s taken this long and was this particular admin, would’ve bet it was gonna be the last one.

Electric swap is the new ls swap, mark my words.

Ps, not trying to be a **** about your build or Fvck with you, I’m honestly worried about this anD what it means for folks like you, spooler etc going forward.

Originally Posted by jchammond

I live in the country, SC farmland area ... and planning to mostly burn corn
Hopefully it’s more environmentally friendly @ 8/9:1 AFR

Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

I read the epa regs, court ruling synopsis. They were painfully clear, any removal or tampering or tuning that alters or disables factory emissions systems equals big trouble, first targeted to the manufacturers and sellers but applicable to individuals at the epas discretion.



You’ll most likely be fine where you are personally but what I’m worried about is what happens if mazworks gets shutdown, or fast intentions. There are no more “for off highway use only” loopholes. Imagine a $37500 per set of lth and tt kits sold by FI for example combined with having to cover the state’s legal fees plus Cali’s state level penalties on top of that.



The epa “graciously” said they aren’t going to retroactively go after anyone yet assuming they get immediate compliance. The little companies and tuning markets have flown under the radar so far historically but I fear that’s changing now.

Originally Posted by BettyZ

Here's the thing:

F.I.'s products have been illegal in CA for some years. Says on their website that their products aren't legal in the People's Republic. They're an interstate manufacturer/seller; CA's azz-pump regs can't stop them. The diesel EPA issue is far removed from our gasoline builds - for now. Who knows what the next administration will bring?

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Driven products aka Holley et al got hit with a 800k fine bc flowmaster was selling lths to late model mustang and camaro dudes. The epa emissions regs affect all ice vehicles including gas and they’re focusing on gas and diesel. That’s why apr, part of the driven products brand dropped all their stage 2 tuning and hardware and even scrubbed their website of all their rs3 stage 3 BT 9.0 quarter mile runs. This is goin to start hitting smaller fish like FI at some point too. I know I probably sound like “omg, the sky is falling” but it’s a big deal, mark my words. Ironically, I don’t really have a dog in this fight since our ttrs with a stage one tune, full emissions systems intact, will make 500 hp and on e-85 it’s 565 hp and run mid tens and that’s good enough for me and wifey sine it’s an hpde car, but it’s still feels like this is the end of an era, must’ve been a feeling like this in 1970...

They (epa) came down hard first on the diesel stuff bc of the stupid show and all the idiots “rolling coal” social media vids. Now they’ve put the fear of god into Holly et al and I’m waiting for the next aftermarket co to get hammered. The domestic car aftermarket is bigger so they’re just working their way down the ladder.