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Damn...............it's COLD outside!

4F with a wind chill of -12F. :icon14:

**** that!!!

no kidding. My fingers started hurting after getting one load of firewood brought in.


-4°F
Overcast
Feels like -26°
Wind: 17 mph W
Humidity: 76%
Dew Point: -10°
Pressure: 29.91 in
Sunrise: 07:59 AM
Sunset: 05:52 PM

Been thinking of putting a wood stove in the basement.

What's the deal with those pellet furnaces? A friend of mine has one in his house in NC and says it works very well and is very cheap to run.

Starting to warm up.

-6 here w/ wind chill of -25 ...... it's cold I get it ! All the local schools closed, I get it ... the local up scale mall closed,what ever ...... but now they canceled the mail :facepalm: :wtf:
What do they do in Minneapolis or Bute Montana on a day like today ... I'll tell you what they do.... they dress for the weather and go about their business !!!

I put one in the family room 25yrs ago and it was a primary source of heat for the first couple of years here, now it's a secondary source, but a great investment over all

Very efficient and clean. You can have a pallet of pellets and don't have to deal with cutting and splitting, stacking and seasoning the wood.

Man. I see a lot of complaining in here for what's a normal occurrence here for me. Bring in the frostbite!

This country is creating more and more snow flakes ( or just flakes ) who come up with every excuse to not do something instead of gritting your teeth, sucking it up and just getting it done :gtfo2:

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The latest generation wants everything handed to them. They don't want to work for it. :mad:

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your perspective, liability has made consigning people to potentially life threatening conditions a difficult decision.

Regulations, policy, and procedures typically exist because of tragic issues that have arisen in the past. Sometimes they are legitimately good, and sometimes they are purely CYA.

The last 2 weeks of January and the first 2 weeks of February is the coldest here. What we have so far is mild. The Mon river doesn't have any ice on it yet. :icon14: When the river gets ice on it. Then it's cold.

That's a pretty broad statement to make. Work ethic tends to be equal parts environment and background. We tend to meet whatever standard is necessary to survive - right now though, that tends to be a pretty low bar. The expectation that difficult situations be eliminated exists because for the most part, they have been.

Trying to evade Darwin isn't good for anyone...

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I just don’t understand that way of thinking (not arguing the validity of your statement, just people that live their lives that way). I’m an engineer with seals in multiple states. Making critical decisions is part of my everyday life.

How cold is it where you live today?

I think a lot really crept in when companies started making "Risk" a big portion of their mindset. As an engineer, I'm sure you're familiar with PFMEAs. If a big risk to your profitability is lawsuits stemming from (stupid) employees subjected to cold weather (which they can't be counted on to be bright enough do dress for), you eliminate or control work in the cold.

On the one hand, it works to reduce your exposure (double joke, very high degree of difficulty) and on the other hand it accustoms your personnel to only working in controlled conditions. When conditions are uncontrolled, they feel entitled and react poorly, and the attitude and mindset spreads. Now multiply that across every industry and every condition, and you've got a large number of people who feel outraged when conditions are anything less than ideal.

Are they snowflakes for it? Sure. But if that's the case, that term is a potentially transitory state of being. Put the same people with a hardened group of people like Baron and Rusty, working in terrible winter conditions outdoor to survive, and you'll find that a fair number step up (eventually), especially if dying is the alternative.

Our so-called greatest generation existed both because conditions and mindset were right, not just because of some genetic predisposition to greatness. Raise genetic clones of those people today, and they'd probably turn out a lot like today's people. Only potential exception is where BPA has reduced testosterone in more recent generations ;) I'm sure that does play a part in mindset.

If someone works outside and doesn't check the weather before going to work and dies wearing shorts in extreme cold, there shouldn't be any liability on anyone other than maybe the parents. And we should all feel grateful the person is no longer wasting perfectly good oxygen.

Today, not bad. High 20s. We just got buried with tons more snow again. Last week was - 20f with wind chill bringing it to - 40f for about 3 days. Had a lot of cars die and city emergency notices. This weekend is looking like more of the same type of weather. Just throw on another shirt under my coat and you're good to go.

I agree with you. However the counter argument is if that person goes outside because his company demands it of him/her, and they have not provided adequate information on cold protection in extremes, it falls on the company.

A lot of this liability didn't start off with bad intentions - it started off with unrestrained capitalism. Meat packing industry in the US circa 1920s profited greatly from fresh immigrants. Paid them pennies to work in insanely unsafe environments where one mistakes would cripple you. Grueling labor, performed for 16 hours at a time, in extreme heat or cold, because it was cheaper than actually making work safe.

Edit: Not to be mistaken for the fudge packing industry, where Zoren works currently. Much less grueling - he loves it there!

Loved that last part. :rofl2:

Where I'm at now. I see kids coming into work. And lasting about one week. They just walk away and not tell anyone. Just quit. :icon14: Had one tell me that he didn't want to get his hands dirty. Another told me that this job is below him. He expected a better job with more glamour. :icon14: It's these kids first jobs. They're working part time going to school. The store works their work schedule around their school schedule. And they hate it. :icon14: The one kid told me the only reason he is working is because his dad cut off the money. But mommy still gives him some. :icon14: Time to cut the nipple feeding.

Rusty, you have described my two nieces perfectly. They're both around 20 yo, and bloody helpless. :shakes head:

Kids now don't have a basic understanding of how things work. Like changing a tire. Most don't have a clue on where to start. I taught my daughter how to do it. I told her. I might not be around to help you. So you have to do things yourself. Be independent. Do for yourself. And she does. :tup:

Hey, wait a minute there... don't forget me... I'm hardened to... :p

haha my list wasn't meant to be an exclusive list of all the hardened people on the forum.

Zoren even PM'd me to let me know he was hard. Not sure he understood.

I wouldn't say hardern. You do what you have to do to put food on the table.

Anyone want to get sick. I just put over $30,000. worth of cordless power tools down a compactor. You name it. It went down. :shakes head:

Why????? Defective????

I get there are some nuances but it is absolutely not the employer's responsibility to inform the employee of the weather outside.

I mean if they ship you off to a camp in northern Canada in December without telling you at least to pack extreme cold weather gear, then sure. That's ridiculous. But if you work for AT&T fixing phone lines outside all day in Chicago and you don't bring your coat and freeze to death during a blizzard. That's on one person: you.

Exactly. But it's turned into unrestrained legislation and litigation :shakes head:

:iagree: I'm hard-on :yum:

JL I love my job even if Im packing shitz in china. If I can bring food to the table I’lldo it.

Im assuming you grew up in a civilized environment where your hands dont even get dirty.

You come down to a 3rd world country and your perspective of how survival means would probably change your mindset.

But my argument stands as Im a foot soldier I will do what am I supposed to do in the field but not act stupid..,and cause or endanger the lives of my people.

Situation dictates my critical decision. That I agree with you, but I will be willing to go down the mud if that would save multitude!

Yes every human being is in the survival mode! And thats human nature.
But what Rusty and some of the old timers are saying.


millennials Have forgotten the word Sacrifice. Everyone now a days calls or demand for entitlement and about my rights as a human being.

Our Lord Jesus even said who among you is of clean and has none of sin strike the first stone.!

He came in this world earth not to claim his glory as King but he came to sacrifice himself to save you and me.

Choice is the best given gift to mankind.

I was told one time If you cant stand the heat leave the kitchen!!!

On the side note since your an engineer have you carved a branch of a tree to make crutches or cane to help a cripple walk?

I did. In the heat of the sun.


Love,
Zoren

Liberal Jobs Program?

Pretty good post, and don't misunderstand my point. I'm not saying most people today aren't soft - I'm saying the necessity of being other than soft is largely gone. Our society (here in the US) is no longer driven by subsistence farming. I also know that if you started putting the screws to society, through war or famine or plague, you'd see a large number of people die off; and then you'd see a large number rise to the challenge.
(Also, FYI, I worked in construction for 14 years starting at age 12. I've done pretty terrible work in pretty terrible conditions and did it for a long time. My dad's mantra was "Larson's don't call in sick, they crawl in sick." I have no illusions - it wasn't like a 3rd world country. I didn't risk malaria or invasive parasites. But my work ethic comes because my parents placed on me the expectation that I would have a job, or I'd be out of the house.)

My point with all of these posts is that people are a product of their environments, for good or for ill.

I feel I should get a set of wheels before zdayz. Why is everything I like so damn expensive.