For the Firearms guys

Gaiiden · 11-22-2009, 10:15 PM

Well, I would think that if someone were to react and shoot someone else, unless they've done LOTS of training, they're going to be panicky and unload a clip as fast as possible. Whether it's .22 or higher, that's going to cause some damage. Ok, one .22 improperly placed can just piss someone off, but a whole clip?

So I guess all I should really say is that if you're going to go with a handgun, make sure you can keep yourself under control so you don't spray bullets, and always aim for center of mass.

Again, this is only to prevent you from killing/injuring someone else. Can't tell you how many stories I see about a random bullet shot from down the block enters a house and hits someone inside. One idiot shot his wall to create a hole for his satellite dish wire/mount and killed his wife outside working in the garden. Yea, I wish I had made that last one up.

molamann · 11-25-2009, 03:59 AM

Sig Sauer 2022 9mm Night Sights 2 Grips w/Rail Mounted Laser for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $469.00

Sounds like a good deal?

semtex · 11-25-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by molamann

Sig Sauer 2022 9mm Night Sights 2 Grips w/Rail Mounted Laser for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $469.00

Sounds like a good deal?

Yes. The laser is junk, but even without it that's a good price.

SmoothZ · 11-25-2009, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by molamann

Sig Sauer 2022 9mm Night Sights 2 Grips w/Rail Mounted Laser for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $469.00

Sounds like a good deal?

I think lasers are overrated for civilians. Seriously, what would you need that for? You would have to buy a holster that would fit in.

The gun is fine, but don't get ripped by adding the laser.

dad · 11-25-2009, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ

I think lasers are overrated for civilians. Seriously, what would you need that for? You would have to buy a holster that would fit in.

The gun is fine, but don't get ripped by adding the laser.

Not if the laser is properly sighted, and the individual performs practice shooting. It may be "overrated" in the gun magazines, but it does have it's benefits.
The holster doesn't cost that much more.

vash_241987 · 11-25-2009, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SmoothZ

I think lasers are overrated for civilians. Seriously, what would you need that for? You would have to buy a holster that would fit in.

The gun is fine, but don't get ripped by adding the laser.

Check these out: Crimson Trace | Laser Sight Grips for Guns

no bulky laser, everything fits in the grip. As other have posted, a laser is alot better especially at night when a perp is about to attacj you and you have little time to look down your sights.

semtex · 11-25-2009, 09:44 AM

What does the 'civilian' distinction have to do with it? I don't think it matters if you're a civilian vs. police or military. Regardless of which role one is in, if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in a situation where you need to use lethal force, the need to get on target quickly is the same. Granted, civilians shouldn't find themselves in that situation as often (hopefully). But my point is that if you're a civilian and need to shoot someone, your need to do so effectively is not lessened by the fact that you're a civilian. I mean, it's not like we want cops and soldiers to be accurate but civilians to just 'spray and pray' right?

grahfz · 12-04-2009, 04:48 AM

I recommend a 12gauge for home defense if you're not worried about neighbors and children from over penetration.
After owning one and using it on various targets.. I'm afraid to shoot somebody with it.. it's just too vicious.
Same with my m1 garand. 30-06 will probably go through the next 6 houses before it stops.

My daily carry is a Kimber 3" 1911 with ct grips. With the laser I don't even have to bother aiming to nail clay pigeons on the ground at 20 feet.. they're about heart sized, so the accuracy is more than enough at that range.. I don't expect to really be able to take aimed shots in a situation that'll truly matter to my life.

Go rent all sorts of guns before you buy.

To me, guns are like sports cars, you can get one in any flavor you wish.

zfokaiz · 12-04-2009, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by grahfz

I recommend a 12gauge for home defense if you're not worried about neighbors and children from over penetration.
wish.

Im no expert on guns but is a shotgun a lot harder to throw up than a handgun? dont get me wrong mine's loaded in the closet (no kiddies in the house) but as far as immediate action wouldn't a handgun be better?

bullitt5897 · 12-04-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zfokaiz

Im no expert on guns but is a shotgun a lot harder to throw up than a handgun? dont get me wrong mine's loaded in the closet (no kiddies in the house) but as far as immediate action wouldn't a handgun be better?

when you clear a room do you keep your gun down?....

No, it should be shouldered and pointing at a center mass level. I do the same with my AR and I often practice in the house with the lights of and NVGs on. You should try it when your home alone with an empty gun. Lay in bed set your alarm and when it goes off. Jump up out of bed pick up your *UNLOADED* weapon and clear the house with the lights on and off... find the best way to clear a room without being seen or heard

if a stair creeks know to skip that step... Remember the best advantage you have is that it is your home turf and you know where everything is!

To the guy asking about the H&K USPs:

I own the latest HK45 that was designed to replace both the 1911 and the beretta... I love the gun to death! very little recoil for a .45 and easy to get on target. I got my mom a USP 45 compact and it is just as good and super light! I actually prefer Kimber 1911's for my shooting style as they are a single action trigger and that suits me better than most double action trigger guns.

dad · 12-04-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bullitt5897

when you clear a room do you keep your gun down?....

No, it should be shouldered and pointing at a center mass level. I do the same with my AR and I often practice in the house with the lights of and NVGs on. You should try it when your home alone with an empty gun. Lay in bed set your alarm and when it goes off. Jump up out of bed pick up your *UNLOADED* weapon and clear the house with the lights on and off... find the best way to clear a room without being seen or heard

if a stair creeks know to skip that step... Remember the best advantage you have is that it is your home turf and you know where everything is!

To the guy asking about the H&K USPs:

I own the latest HK45 that was designed to replace both the 1911 and the beretta... I love the gun to death! very little recoil for a .45 and easy to get on target. I got my mom a USP 45 compact and it is just as good and super light! I actually prefer Kimber 1911's for my shooting style as they are a single action trigger and that suits me better than most double action trigger guns.

I own the latest HK45 that was designed to replace both the 1911 and the beretta
What HK is that?<<<<<

bullitt5897 · 12-06-2009, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by dad

I own the latest HK45 that was designed to replace both the 1911 and the beretta
What HK is that?<<<<<

here is some good info on the gun and btw its not a usp...

HK-45.com: Heckler & Koch Firearms, Featuring the HK 45

semtex · 12-04-2009, 06:58 AM

What do you mean you don't even have to bother aiming? You're aiming with the laser, aren't you?

grahfz · 12-04-2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

What do you mean you don't even have to bother aiming? You're aiming with the laser, aren't you?

You know what I meant

Zdom · 12-04-2009, 07:11 AM

I have one for fun and its great, you can shoot it for one cent/round, great for getting a lot of practice shooting w/out costing you a fortune. But probably doesn't have the stopping power you would want from a larger caliber. But I would hate to get shot by it.

11-22-2009, 10:15 PM	#1 (permalink)
Gaiiden Base Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 227 Drives: 09 370Z Touring 6sp Rep Power: 17	Well, I would think that if someone were to react and shoot someone else, unless they've done LOTS of training, they're going to be panicky and unload a clip as fast as possible. Whether it's .22 or higher, that's going to cause some damage. Ok, one .22 improperly placed can just piss someone off, but a whole clip? So I guess all I should really say is that if you're going to go with a handgun, make sure you can keep yourself under control so you don't spray bullets, and always aim for center of mass. Again, this is only to prevent you from killing/injuring someone else. Can't tell you how many stories I see about a random bullet shot from down the block enters a house and hits someone inside. One idiot shot his wall to create a hole for his satellite dish wire/mount and killed his wife outside working in the garden. Yea, I wish I had made that last one up. __________________ Drew Sikora Bullrun 2009 participant

11-25-2009, 09:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 55 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 34	What does the 'civilian' distinction have to do with it? I don't think it matters if you're a civilian vs. police or military. Regardless of which role one is in, if you're unfortunate enough to find yourself in a situation where you need to use lethal force, the need to get on target quickly is the same. Granted, civilians shouldn't find themselves in that situation as often (hopefully). But my point is that if you're a civilian and need to shoot someone, your need to do so effectively is not lessened by the fact that you're a civilian. I mean, it's not like we want cops and soldiers to be accurate but civilians to just 'spray and pray' right? __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

12-04-2009, 06:58 AM	#13 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 55 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 34	What do you mean you don't even have to bother aiming? You're aiming with the laser, aren't you? __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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molamann A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,666 Drives: 370Z with NAVVVVV Rep Power: 286	Sig Sauer 2022 9mm Night Sights 2 Grips w/Rail Mounted Laser for Sale at Buds Gun Shop $469.00 Sounds like a good deal?

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grahfz Base Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: atlanta Posts: 93 Drives: Touring/6/nav/sport Rep Power: 18	I recommend a 12gauge for home defense if you're not worried about neighbors and children from over penetration. After owning one and using it on various targets.. I'm afraid to shoot somebody with it.. it's just too vicious. Same with my m1 garand. 30-06 will probably go through the next 6 houses before it stops. My daily carry is a Kimber 3" 1911 with ct grips. With the laser I don't even have to bother aiming to nail clay pigeons on the ground at 20 feet.. they're about heart sized, so the accuracy is more than enough at that range.. I don't expect to really be able to take aimed shots in a situation that'll truly matter to my life. Go rent all sorts of guns before you buy. To me, guns are like sports cars, you can get one in any flavor you wish.

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Zdom Base Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: VA Posts: 46 Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z Tour Rep Power: 17	I have one for fun and its great, you can shoot it for one cent/round, great for getting a lot of practice shooting w/out costing you a fortune. But probably doesn't have the stopping power you would want from a larger caliber. But I would hate to get shot by it.