Windows 7 - Upgrade/Clean Install

bigaudiofanat · 10-29-2009, 08:39 PM

Not really the cpu's are made for a specific voltage by going UNDER that you are starving it for power. You are not going to get it's full potential that way. It is like putting a really small intake on a hemi you are going to starve the engine.

theDreamer · 10-29-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

Not really the cpu's are made for a specific voltage by going UNDER that you are starving it for power. You are not going to get it's full potential that way. It is like putting a really small intake on a hemi you are going to starve the engine.

But you have to realize the purpose of what he is using the CPU for, this is not for any CPU intensive program. This is for a HTPC, which is GPU/memory first, network/HDD transfer rate next, then CPU at the end. The purpose of the HTPC is quiet/cool machines, it is very common for people buy slightly beefier CPUs for HTPCs and underclock them to create quieter/cooler results.

ChrisSlicks · 10-29-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

Not really the cpu's are made for a specific voltage by going UNDER that you are starving it for power. You are not going to get it's full potential that way. It is like putting a really small intake on a hemi you are going to starve the engine.

Not at all.

If a CPU has a stock voltage of 2.5V and you can successfully run it under load at 2.0V then it will run at the same speed with exactly the same performance. Over volting it to 2.8V is the same thing, the CPU will run with identical performance (given that you don't change the bus speed), the only change is heat output.

bigaudiofanat · 10-29-2009, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Not at all.

If a CPU has a stock voltage of 2.5V and you can successfully run it under load at 2.0V then it will run at the same speed with exactly the same performance. Over volting it to 2.8V is the same thing, the CPU will run with identical performance (given that you don't change the bus speed), the only change is heat output.

As I have already said what I had to say. I am not going to continue to hijack this thread further.

bigaudiofanat · 10-29-2009, 08:51 PM

Back to the subject, yes 7 is much more stable than vista and runs smoother as well.

DIGItonium · 10-30-2009, 09:57 AM

I got the upgrade media last night and quickly swapped out the slow as molasses hard drive in the Lenovo U330. I did the clean install followed by upgrade install from within Windows before activating the key online. It worked like a charm!

The laptop is so much more responsive like a typical desktop.

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Originally Posted by rackley

SuperFetch is one of the things that makes Win7 feel fast...

Ah, I finally had time to dig into Win7 and work on some optimizations. Win7 memory management is definitely much nicer than before. I had SuperFetch disabled in Vista because it kept grinding the hard drive. I did the same with my laptop as well and I've never had any issues. It is also one of the optimization suggestions for users with SSDs.

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

Not really the cpu's are made for a specific voltage by going UNDER that you are starving it for power. You are not going to get it's full potential that way. It is like putting a really small intake on a hemi you are going to starve the engine.

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Originally Posted by speedaudio64

You are half righ big well 90% right. By starving the CPU of the required voltage and what it was made to get, you are not going to get the max performance. But it will still be able to be ran. You are also going to void the warranty by doing this.

You can't quite compare airflow and electron flow. The transistor design and construction on various classes of processors are no different. The silicon parts are speed tested, graded, and binned. For example, a 2GHz and a 3GHz CPU can technically be the same design on the same silicon and wafer. The 2GHz part may have been graded to run optimal at its specified clock and voltages. If there is a shortage of 2GHz parts, a 3GHz part can be down clocked (and specify lower operating voltage) and be sold as a 2GHz part.

I never heard of undervolting a processor voiding warranty or starving the processor. Desktop and mobile processors have the ability to change clock speed and voltage requirements on the fly depending on processor load.

True, you can starve the CPU by not feeding enough juice and render the system unstable. Well, that's because that piece of silicon wasn't one of the lucky ones.

DIGItonium · 10-30-2009, 12:32 PM

LOL!

I don't know if FSB is still the term to use with i5 and i7 as they now refer to QPI. However, my BIOS indicates an adjustable base frequency of 133MHz and 20x multiplier (2.660 GHz). My system is still in pieces (have to remove optical drive cage to mess with memory). [shrugs] I don't keep myself updated with this stuff either haha.

DIGItonium · 11-04-2009, 09:50 AM

Success!
I've had my Lenovo U330 running for over a week with Win7 (from upgrade media) and Crucial SSD. Footprint is under 11GB with drivers and some applications installed. Performance is relatively snappy, and 3GB of memory actually feels like it. In fact, it's as fast as a typical desktop machine.

I sold my 2nd upgrade media to one of my friends. His machine is an X58 with Core i7 920, 6GB of DDR3, and dual GTX 285 graphics cards. He already had a clean install of Vista running on a new hard drive and completed a clean install with the upgrade media.

My 3rd copy is an OEM disc. My HTPC is nearly complete as it currently has 4GB of DDR3, and the other 4GB is currently RMA'd. The HD 5850 arrived last night. After some cutting (OrigenAE S14V hard drive cage had fitment issues), I managed to get everything fitting properly. After tweaking the system and installing some apps (just Firefox) and drivers on the X-25M, the footprint is around 7.93GB! This was down from 12GB and 10GB foot print!

Anyhow, I'm still waiting for updated/fixed Intel X-25M firmware in hopes to boost performance as well as get TRIM working.

HTPC Specs:
OrigenAE S14V
Corsair HX650
MSI P55M-GD45
Core i5 750 with Scythe Ninja Mini Rev B HSF
4x2GB G.Skill DDR3 1333MHz
WD RaptorX 150GB (Carryover from previous build)
Intel X-25M 80GB
Sapphire HD 5850
Auzentech X-Fi Prelude (Carryover from previous build)

My system was fairly quiet until I added in the graphics card. At idle, the fan is a bit louder than everything else. I'm still trying to optimize the system as well as improve airflow through the heatsink. The fan is currently pulling air through the heatsink due to size constraints. Plus, the Gelid PWM fan isn't all that great. It starts "buzzing" beyond 50% duty.

Well, this concludes Win7 upgrade media installation and impressions. Compared to Vista, this installation was quite successful. Now if only BioShock 2 and MW2 comes out...

bigaudiofanat · 11-04-2009, 10:04 AM

Congrats man have you used any of the new features it comes with?

azn370z · 11-04-2009, 10:14 AM

I've been running win7 for about a week and I have to say it's pretty much like vista, and looks like it too. At first I was going to switch back to vista when win7 told me my ms bluetooth keyboard and mice wasn't compatible. I never had hardware or software problems with vista because I built a pc just for vista. I don't think upgrading is worth it for vista owners. I got the upgrade for $50 so it wasn't too much a waste of money for me.

theDreamer · 11-04-2009, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

I've been running win7 for about a week and I have to say it's pretty much like vista, and looks like it too. At first I was going to switch back to vista when win7 told me my ms bluetooth keyboard and mice wasn't compatible. I never had hardware or software problems with vista because I built a pc just for vista. I don't think upgrading is worth it for vista owners. I got the upgrade for $50 so it wasn't too much a waste of money for me.

That seems odd, but at the same time I have read on another forum (more PC hardware) with people having a similar issue with MS bluetooth mice & keyboard.

azn370z · 11-04-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

That seems odd, but at the same time I have read on another forum (more PC hardware) with people having a similar issue with MS bluetooth mice & keyboard.

I have the entertainment 7000 keyboard and 8000 mouse. The only buttons that I have confirmed that won't work are the zoom buttons on my mouse. Not sure if the other entertainment buttons on the keyboard work. MS may bring more updates for their keyboards and mouse.

rackley · 11-05-2009, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by azn370z

I've been running win7 for about a week and I have to say it's pretty much like vista, and looks like it too. At first I was going to switch back to vista when win7 told me my ms bluetooth keyboard and mice wasn't compatible. I never had hardware or software problems with vista because I built a pc just for vista. I don't think upgrading is worth it for vista owners. I got the upgrade for $50 so it wasn't too much a waste of money for me.

Sounds like most of the functionality is there (base functionality + most "extra" buttons) but a few of the "extra" buttons don't work.

Turns out my coworker just got this keyboard/mouse. He loves it so far, but I'll ask him to check those buttons to see if he has the same issue.

Personally I've been running 7 since the Beta release as my daily OS (desktops at work and home, plus laptop) and I haven't had *any* issues with it. Most OEM stuff that was written for Vista "just works" under 7 and has been that way for a long time - before they even started writing it for 7.

1slow370 · 11-05-2009, 08:09 AM

I Permanently delete all my hard drives using an incredibly complicated process involving a sharp consumer 600w microwave circa 1980. works on standerd and solid state and is the only quick way of making sure your hard drive can NEVER be recovered. I can't remember what case it was but watched a show on court tv where a guy physically shredded his hard drive at a junkyard and they pieced the discs back together and f***** him.

MightyBobo · 11-05-2009, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by 1slow370

I Permanently delete all my hard drives using an incredibly complicated process involving a sharp consumer 600w microwave circa 1980. works on standerd and solid state and is the only quick way of making sure your hard drive can NEVER be recovered. I can't remember what case it was but watched a show on court tv where a guy physically shredded his hard drive at a junkyard and they pieced the discs back together and f***** him.

Uhhhhh, yeah not true. Simply taking a screw driver to your plates will make the data irrecoverable. No microwave needed. Just smash the ever living **** out of it.

Unless that hard drive was barely even damaged, there is no way they recovered a shredded drive. Sounds like BS, to me. They would have to somehow figure out how it goes back together, reconnect the pieces (how, welding? lol), and then use it like a normal HD to try to recover data. No, I dont see that happening.

Either way, scrape all that nice, magnetic materiel off with a screwdriver and you're golden.

10-29-2009, 08:39 PM	#1 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 854	Not really the cpu's are made for a specific voltage by going UNDER that you are starving it for power. You are not going to get it's full potential that way. It is like putting a really small intake on a hemi you are going to starve the engine. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

10-29-2009, 08:51 PM	#5 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 854	Back to the subject, yes 7 is much more stable than vista and runs smoother as well. __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

10-30-2009, 12:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 43	LOL! I don't know if FSB is still the term to use with i5 and i7 as they now refer to QPI. However, my BIOS indicates an adjustable base frequency of 133MHz and 20x multiplier (2.660 GHz). My system is still in pieces (have to remove optical drive cage to mess with memory). [shrugs] I don't keep myself updated with this stuff either haha. __________________

11-04-2009, 09:50 AM	#8 (permalink)
DIGItonium A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Kansas Posts: 3,800 Drives: 09 Z34-TT 6MT Rep Power: 43	Update - 11/04 Success! I've had my Lenovo U330 running for over a week with Win7 (from upgrade media) and Crucial SSD. Footprint is under 11GB with drivers and some applications installed. Performance is relatively snappy, and 3GB of memory actually feels like it. In fact, it's as fast as a typical desktop machine. I sold my 2nd upgrade media to one of my friends. His machine is an X58 with Core i7 920, 6GB of DDR3, and dual GTX 285 graphics cards. He already had a clean install of Vista running on a new hard drive and completed a clean install with the upgrade media. My 3rd copy is an OEM disc. My HTPC is nearly complete as it currently has 4GB of DDR3, and the other 4GB is currently RMA'd. The HD 5850 arrived last night. After some cutting (OrigenAE S14V hard drive cage had fitment issues), I managed to get everything fitting properly. After tweaking the system and installing some apps (just Firefox) and drivers on the X-25M, the footprint is around 7.93GB! This was down from 12GB and 10GB foot print! Anyhow, I'm still waiting for updated/fixed Intel X-25M firmware in hopes to boost performance as well as get TRIM working. HTPC Specs: OrigenAE S14V Corsair HX650 MSI P55M-GD45 Core i5 750 with Scythe Ninja Mini Rev B HSF 4x2GB G.Skill DDR3 1333MHz WD RaptorX 150GB (Carryover from previous build) Intel X-25M 80GB Sapphire HD 5850 Auzentech X-Fi Prelude (Carryover from previous build) My system was fairly quiet until I added in the graphics card. At idle, the fan is a bit louder than everything else. I'm still trying to optimize the system as well as improve airflow through the heatsink. The fan is currently pulling air through the heatsink due to size constraints. Plus, the Gelid PWM fan isn't all that great. It starts "buzzing" beyond 50% duty. Well, this concludes Win7 upgrade media installation and impressions. Compared to Vista, this installation was quite successful. Now if only BioShock 2 and MW2 comes out... __________________

11-04-2009, 10:04 AM	#9 (permalink)
bigaudiofanat Car Audio Installer Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Magnolia DE Posts: 8,342 Drives: 2012 Infiniti G37x Rep Power: 854	Congrats man have you used any of the new features it comes with? __________________ Need help with car audio or electronics? Let me know!! Need Help Let Me Know Direct email address reimermatt@gmail.com Owner of: Dynamic Mobile Audio Follow me below https://www.facebook.com/Dynamicmobileaudio/

11-04-2009, 10:14 AM	#10 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	I've been running win7 for about a week and I have to say it's pretty much like vista, and looks like it too. At first I was going to switch back to vista when win7 told me my ms bluetooth keyboard and mice wasn't compatible. I never had hardware or software problems with vista because I built a pc just for vista. I don't think upgrading is worth it for vista owners. I got the upgrade for $50 so it wasn't too much a waste of money for me. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

11-05-2009, 08:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
1slow370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: In the D Posts: 3,732 Drives: v8 74 260z ;) Rep Power: 7251	I Permanently delete all my hard drives using an incredibly complicated process involving a sharp consumer 600w microwave circa 1980. works on standerd and solid state and is the only quick way of making sure your hard drive can NEVER be recovered. I can't remember what case it was but watched a show on court tv where a guy physically shredded his hard drive at a junkyard and they pieced the discs back together and f***** him.

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